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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 21, 2008 7:47:53 am PST #45 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Good point. I'm now hoping the show goes there if Anna reappears in a possessed human body at a later date.


Ailleann - Nov 21, 2008 8:00:06 am PST #46 of 30002
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I would think angel gender is probably kind of flexible...


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 21, 2008 8:48:29 am PST #47 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I think traditionally they're supposed to be hermaphroditic rather than sexless.

Pity Dean couldn't run into Emma Thompson from Angels in America. I think she/it was more accomplished at the whole glorious celebratory sex thing than Anna.


Beverly - Nov 21, 2008 10:59:00 am PST #48 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Catch-up post.

I rewatched. I found Sam just as fascinating to watch in that final scene as Dean. I thought JP was going to break down crying himself at least once.

Thank you! Yes, the one thing you can always count on JA for is what he brings to enhance and enrich a scene that focuses on another actor, his reaction. Even if it's in the background. JP has been taking notes. This scene reminded me of nothing so much as the end scene in CSPWDT: Both of them out of the Impala, but leaning up against her. Dean facing not toward Sam, as if he couldn't say what he had to while facing Sam. And in this one he was actually giving Sam his back, not just his profile. JP's reaction-acting was miles better than in S2, both more engaged and more subtle. His reaction choices were good, on the right beat to increase the emotion of the scene, but not to pull focus from Dean.

And gods, Jensen just knocked it out of the park. There's not anything else I can say about that. I need to check and see who the director was. Without checking I suspect Manners--he always manages to pull the best reactions in tight camera work.

Also, when Dean confessed it was forty years, I couldn't help but wonder how long it was for John, if you count a decade for every month, it would have been 120 years, if time moved the same for him as it did for Dean. What atrocities did John commit over that time, and where did he go when he fought his way out of hell? There was every indication that he was still himself, and had not become a being of evil. Of course that was before the current storyline was thought out, but an alert writer could console Dean with Dad's evident redemption, even after more than a hundred years in hell.

John Winchester: stubborn old bastard who refused the offer every single time it was made until the day he broke out?

Or this.

He should be a hot mess. Angel came back feral, and that dude had personal experience with torture already. Dean has been remarkably well-adjusted for a man coming off forty years of untold agony.

Ten of inflicting that agony, against everything in him that made him who he was. My theory has been that when Cas yanked him out, healed his body, he installed a barrier, or buffer if you will, to memory that at first prevented Dean remembering more than flashes. His halluination of Lillith in Yellow Fever was notice that the barrier was starting to erode, and the memories were starting to trickle through. Cas' healing had (in my theory) made remembering difficult, but also stripped out much, if not all, of the sensation of those memories, so what Dean's been getting is the intellectual recall of those memories and his emotional knowledge and reaction to what he suffered, and the acts he committed. Can probably be summed up by "handwave," but it works for me.

I still think that knowing what you did, seeing what you did - is different than feeling it. Like there is still some sort of shock preventing him from getting the whole effect but not enough to prevent the nightmares and thus the self-medicating.

Or, this. I do think it was a deliberate thing done by Cas as part of the healing, though.

I'm afraid I disregarded the whole hand-on-the-window thing. Perhaps I should not have.

I'm inclined to agree that Mary believed it would be she who would pay Azazel's price for restoring John. I don't think she realized when she made the deal that she'd sacrificed one or both of her children. And while John may have begun to suspect, I doubt he ever knew or accepted the full truth about what Mary had done.

As for Anna's "fall," I think she wanted humanity, she ripped out that part that made her an angel. When she recovered it, she regained her form, but not her station. She's an angel, with an angel's power now. While she's no longer of use or interest to demons, since they won't be able to use her as a listening device, she is still on heaven's hit list because of her trip off the reservation. She'll be operating on her own, with no backup, and with other angels looking for her. Her decisions have made punishment imperative.


Beverly - Nov 21, 2008 10:59:11 am PST #49 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Amy - Nov 21, 2008 11:10:07 am PST #50 of 30002
Because books.

She'll be operating on her own, with no backup, and with other angels looking for her. Her decisions have made punishment imperative.

This. I definitely heard Dean's "I don't know" in response to Sam's "She'll be happy now," but I don't think she was sent to hell on ... impact or whatever.

My take was that putting the grace back in led to real!angel!form!, like Pamela saw with Castiel. And that as an angel, she was on her way back to heaven -- but to face consequences for her actions.


Beverly - Nov 21, 2008 11:30:02 am PST #51 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

That's where we differ. I think she's on her own, and avoiding heaven for now, as well as capture and punishment. I got the impression she would try to hang around and help out if/when/as she could. That may be me reading in, but I didn't get the idea she'd been fast-tracked back to heaven.

Also, on a more prurient note, I tried to catch a glimpse of Sam's tattoo last week, but failed. And Dean's this week, ditto. I just wondered if they'd had to have them applied for the possibility of a glimpse, or if they shot and cut the scene specifically not to show them.


Amy - Nov 21, 2008 11:34:49 am PST #52 of 30002
Because books.

Maybe I'm assuming that an angel's grace is like God's GPS device?


Beverly - Nov 21, 2008 11:45:58 am PST #53 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Whereas I think of it as the part that makes them angel, apart and different from human, bars emotion, provides power, or the link to heavenly power, etc.

I guess we'll have to see how it plays out in the SPN world.


Polter-Cow - Nov 21, 2008 11:49:14 am PST #54 of 30002
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!

Without checking I suspect Manners

It wasn't. It was someone I didn't recognize. Ah, J. Miller Tobin. Also directed "A Very Supernatural Christmas" and "Born Under a Bad Sign."

And that as an angel, she was on her way back to heaven -- but to face consequences for her actions.

I just thought that Dean was referring to the fact that she can't have chocolate cake and sex anymore.