Yeah, I don't see a lot of two way chemistry here. But Charlie was the one to use the word "crush" so as a 21st century lesbian Charlies "likes likes" Dorthy. If Dorthy is the daughter of Frank L. Baum, she was raised feminist (Baum was an early supporter of women's suffrage) and also with theater associations (Baum made constant efforts to bring Oz to stage and screen). So if she is not gay or bi, she is probably gay or bi friendly. So if Dorthy does not reciprocate Charlie's feelings, she probably will be kind but firm in her rejection, and they will settle in happily as "gal-pal" adventuresses. To tell to the truth, I did not see a lot of indications Dorthy was attracted to Charlie, but I would not totally rule out things turning out the way Charlie obviously hopes.

given that she comes from a pretty homophobic time, it indicates that it is not out of the question.

I would think that her time was more that gay people weren't acknowledged, especially not women.

I felt Dorothy was pretty strongly coded as queer in the episode, from her mode of dress to her way of moving.

Yeah, I can see that. Given the time, though, she may not have ever acted on it. Maybe Charlie will find a unicorn.

I never understood where the "friends of Dorothy" thing came from.

I'd heard it was a Judy Garland thing.

It's also attributed to Dorothy Parker, but I think that most people presume Judy Garland.

It's also attributed to Dorothy Parker

Interesting!

I just spotted Ezekiel in a horror movie called Trick 'r Treat.

These links won't be good long, since the artist is taking down her dA account (because of image thievery). Look at her pencil crayon mastery with older and younger Jensen. She has some great other pictures, too. I love the way Bran's hair pops for instance.

I got into a weird exchange on IO9. Someone was complaining about the last episode, because it took a character he didn't really like and made her into a Mary Sue. This took me aback.

He says--what? She's better with computers than SAM??? Well, yes. She inherited that from Frank, who inherited it from Ash. Lots of people are better at computers than Sam. This doesn't make her special. The fact that she's being treated like a genius and gets to go off and have the magical adventures and have gay babies with the gay icon...just too much for him.

What I really don't understand is why the episode where she shows up with a database of monsters that the guys had never taken a moment to put together, outshoots Dean, replaces Sam on a hunt, gets called a little sister, and Dean (effectively) tells her he loves her--that needed a straw to break the Mary Sue back? After the Moondor episode where everyone is trying to get into her pants and she makes it with a fairy--that was okay?

I guess I didn't see a trigger last week. I thought if you had gotten past especially last episode, this was what you'd signed up for, so no sweat.

She's not my dream, except in literal dreams I've had--she isn't aspirational, is what I mean. But she's clearly what an unsubtle queer fan could put in and get mary sue labels and not be able to argue her way out from underneath it (did we cover her tragic and noble past yet? We could spend some time with that too, if you want...)

Like you said, lots of people are better at computer hacking than Sam. If they weren't, we never would have been introduced to Charlie, and Sam would have hacked Dick Roman's computer or whatever.

But I do think, as much as I love Charlie (and Robbie Thompson), Robbie Thompson is a little too in love with her. There's a bit of Frankenstein's monster adoration there, or something.

There's plenty of room to criticize Thompson for the special snowflake-ness of Charlie (not so much this episode, but in previous ones). But I still tend to enjoy those episodes, and when I see his name I can at least reassure myself that there won't be reapers moonlighting as mercenary thugs from Phillip Marlowe novels or people fucking their pets.

Oh, exactly, Matt. If a writer's going to have flaws, I much prefer his. And I love Charlie! If it's a Mary Sue I like, then I don't really care.

Since she was introduced, I think this is the tamest the writer-crush on her has been.

I hope Show got good money for their Surface use. It is one of the more subtle I've seen (check Vampire Diaries for the opposite of that word), which makes me think not.

Surface use?