Does anybody mind if I pass out?

Willow ,'Beneath You'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Oct 31, 2013 7:40:46 am PDT #29178 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dean's tally is Zachariah, the angel from the season opener...who else? I can't think of any that Sam has killed, but then again, I'm also blanking on

melt down for making bullets

God, I hate this the most. Remember when the Colt was special??? Poppy bullets irritated me as well. Could they just have hit her with a poppy stick? Stabbed her with a knife that had been used to slice bagels? They're...they're productising magic in a way I don't think serves the story (I feel like Charlie now).

Remember when we wondered what Dean not being blinded by Zach's death meant? Well, I wondered, anyway. Now I think it's just coincidence.

Unfortunately, that ship sailed in Season 5.

I could even wrap my head around a "pagan" god with a Christian tool killing an angel--they're only angels, after all. Like, on some level, there are supernatural creatures with supernatural powers that go mano a mano, and angels have their strength and their smiting and their time and space travelling, and Kali has her cleansing fire, and etc, etc, those powers go up against each other. And then there are charmed objects which exploit weaknesses, but not necessarily things that mortals can wield.

Of all the episodes whose canon I want to ignore, good lord, it's Hammer Of The Gods. Not only because of what it made canon, but also because of what it revealed about the writers' though processes.

UNDO IT, UNDO IT.


P.M. Marc - Oct 31, 2013 8:49:59 am PDT #29179 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I felt Dorothy was pretty strongly coded as queer in the episode, from her mode of dress to her way of moving.


Anne W. - Oct 31, 2013 8:51:22 am PDT #29180 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

I felt Dorothy was pretty strongly coded as queer in the episode, from her mode of dress to her way of moving.

nods

I choose to believe that the Witch of the North's kiss wasn't just a chaste peck on the forehead.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 31, 2013 8:57:21 am PDT #29181 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Well, if there were ever a good character to choose for giving the gay audience a nod, Dorothy would be it...


§ ita § - Oct 31, 2013 9:07:45 am PDT #29182 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I felt Dorothy was pretty strongly coded as queer in the episode, from her mode of dress to her way of moving

If she were straight, how would you dress her, and how would you change her way of moving? To me, she was an Amelia Earhart vintage adventuress clone (which I don't mean in a bad way, or think that Earhart being gay affects), because I can't think of another way for her to look, and, well, I know more straight women than gay who move like her. As code goes, it's too subtle for me.

if there were ever a good character to choose for giving the gay audience a nod, Dorothy would be it...

That's the only code I saw.


Amy - Oct 31, 2013 9:18:48 am PDT #29183 of 30002
Because books.

I never understood where the "friends of Dorothy" thing came from.

Dorothy read pretty simply as "kickass" to me.


§ ita § - Oct 31, 2013 9:22:49 am PDT #29184 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I never understood where the "friends of Dorothy" thing came from.

I'd heard it was a Judy Garland thing. The friends I have that used that term to describe themselves were big fans, and I assumed it was a result of her iconic status in the community (I have no idea if it still persists--this was in the early 90s).


Amy - Oct 31, 2013 9:24:25 am PDT #29185 of 30002
Because books.

Oh! I didn't even think to connect it to Judy Garland. Duh.

And, because it's Halloween, I feel the need to randomly shout, "Astronaut!"


P.M. Marc - Oct 31, 2013 9:30:23 am PDT #29186 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

If she were straight, how would you dress her, and how would you change her way of moving? To me, she was an Amelia Earhart vintage adventuress clone (which I don't mean in a bad way, or think that Earhart being gay affects), because I can't think of another way for her to look, and, well, I know more straight women than gay who move like her. As code goes, it's too subtle for me.

It's hard to explain without copying the text of every lesbians-in-film textbook in my collection, unfortunately. Suffice it to say that she hits all the "this character is queer, but we're not allowed to say that flat-out" checkboxes. Mannish attire, mannish stride, mannish profession, lingering looks at the female form...


§ ita § - Oct 31, 2013 10:24:24 am PDT #29187 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mannish attire, mannish stride, mannish profession, lingering looks at the female form...

But my question still stands--how do you write "1930s adventuress" and not put her in those clothes, and how do you write hunter without having her be physically competent (okay, that question is tongue in cheek considering Hunter!Barbie was saw the other week but as far as I can read, she doesn't walk significantly gayer than Jo), and hunter comes with the terrain unless the suggestion is more damsels or librarians and fewer action heroines.

If you'd led with lingering looks at the female form, that I'd understand. But most of the rest looks kinda unavoidable once the premise is laid out.

Not that I noticed her copping a Sapphic look at Charlie--given she gets to nom Gilda's face we know the show's not afraid of it--but I don't see how the text (or acting, or directing, or costuming, etc...) offers evidence for any orientation for her other than anti-men-of-letters.