Could he have been a demon prior to that, and only took Fergus as a vessel?

I don't know. I try not to think too hard about Crowley anymore. They've made him boring, if you ask me -- he knows everyone, he can do everything, he's smarmily charming, yadda yadda.

No, because we're told the deal he made to lose his soul was to make his dick bigger--that was Fergus' deal, and Crowley's history.

And, yeah, way over Crowley. I was excited at the beginning of the season where it looked like he was going to be properly evil and not just make people queue (like, what is hell for the Brits, then?), but they're not writing a character, they're giving Mark Sheppard screentime. If they're just gonna do that, I'd rather have Rachel, thanks.

I'm good with her death in the sense that it's sad and I preferred her alive, but that is this show.

However, my tumblr dash includes suicide threats and people saying they feel slapped in the face, and oh no, Destiel might not be canon this season after all.

First off: NO DUH, but secondly...why this ep? The one where Cas loved Dean enough to overcome the angelic onditioning of a thousand kills, where Dean said he needed Cas...this is the one that breaks your heart? Because Cas enjoyed kissing Meg? Because Meg wants to do it again and he didn't look all blushy and run to Dean?

I suspect you were not watching Supernatural this whole time. Sorry about the rude awakening, but it's much more about you than it is Show.

The D/C I like to watch was en fuego last night. I'm cool.

You know what (else) grabbed my heart? The smile Dean gave after asking for five minutes of wank time. It was so fond and sweet. Though that might also be Destiel-killing, since I've seen it tagged with Wincest this morning. ::sigh::

I love that the writers actually had Dean say "Megstiel," too. But I also think it's sort of funny when they're taunty.

The D/C I like to watch was en fuego last night. I'm cool.

Oh yes. Some love is actually bigger than kissing and holding hands.

Though that might also be Destiel-killing, since I've seen it tagged with Wincest this morning.

::rolls eyes forever::

Someone on IO9 just posted a "he said family! you must be sad..." to me, and ::sigh::. I guess I can't blame them because so many people are freaking out for stupid reasons, but when did *I* look like an idiot? I do not need tarring with that brush, thanks.

SUICIDE THREAT, people. Really? "Look at your life, look at your choices" is on repeat in the back of my head this morning. Someone malicious cherry-picked Meg hate and freaking out, and I can quite easily hate all of fandom this morning.

And, seriously, I'd rather spend my time thinking of how Dean flinched/begged when Cas reached for him to heal him, and how gently Cas stroked his cheek instead of doing the two-finger forehead tap. Dean, Dean, Dean. You silly silly puppy. Yes, Cas did clean things up. But I think it's fair to say that Dean did not go in with that endgame. He's just way more suicidal than the next guy. Any next guy. And he hates people to die/suffer alone/instead of him.

He's just way more suicidal than the next guy.

I don't know if he's actively suicidal anymore. But he still perceives he's worthless, in the sense that if someone has to die, it might as well be him.

SUICIDE THREAT, people. Really?

Wait, what? People are threatening to commit suicide because Cas liked lippy with Meg? Seriously?

"he said family! you must be sad..."

Um, that doesn't stop the Wincest shippers ...

I don't know if he's actively suicidal anymore

You mean since when he was going to go down closing hell? That was just the other day, relatively speaking, and he made no attempt to escape or banish or anything to Cas--he's not working very hard to eliminate that options, shall we say?

People are threatening to commit suicide because Cas liked lippy with Meg? Seriously?

Yup.

I mean actively in terms of wanting to die, wishing he could die. I don't think he wants that anymore, but when it's between him and anyone else, especially Sam, he's going to be the one to go.

I think he is feeling a measure of contentment with his new room, and their new home base, too. Not enough to sustain him forever, but right now? If no one has to die, I don't think he'd volunteer.

But I do think he's not always gonna do the normal amount of work to ensure he lives either. He's a good planner and a general, but if he's pretty sure he can do it but he dies, it's a lower price for him than for most people, even most hunters. I don't think that gap is closing soon. Not without being underscored explicitly somehow.

That's putting a finer point on it than it needs, I think, and it doesn't take into account existing responsibilities. Such as, in purgatory, he had to fight for his own life because he had to find Cas, and he had to make it back to see what happened to Sam.

Right now, I think he might do a little more to make sure a creature doesn't off him *until* Sam completes the trials. Also, now he needs to find Cas. After that, all bets are off.

Does he need to find Cas? Why does he need to find Cas? And I'm not asking you. I'm asking the writers. Cas is theoretically okay. He's not being controlled any more. He has his memory, sanity, and powers.

Does he need Cas to protect Sam? Does he even have time to find Cas (well, he doesn't know they have 23 episodes either--I've got company there) considering the march to find and execute the end of the demon tablet?

I can see why Dean wants the angel tablet, but is there a really good reason for it? Naomi is an evil shithead, but she was acting out of self-preservation. It's understandable they don't want anyone getting their hands on it. Does Dean just want it for leverage? Protection against the next Raphael?