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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


§ ita § - Jan 20, 2013 11:57:26 am PST #27347 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

the constant escalation of threat level

Once you get to the end of the world, how much further can you get? I mean, they stopped the apocalypse, and since then, how have the threat levels escalated beyond that? I don't think Eve or Raphael or Leviathan were bigger than that.

I have never not felt a human scale to this show--they've been consistent with that in its effect on me. Sam and Dean make the most powerful of foes get really personally invested--I'd say that Eve and Dick were about the only two that didn't care about them personally, but there were always other things during their respective seasons that kept a very human-sized face on pain as well.


§ ita § - Jan 20, 2013 12:02:53 pm PST #27348 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wanted a separate post for this.

I don't know how far the stupid foofurrah about tumblr fan response to the cute West cooking video Misha posted, but apparently it's escalated to the point where many people are considering the misha collins tag soiled--one fan worked out where Misha lives in Vancouver and posted stuff on their lawn, other SPN fans are choosing now to post a litany of "Misha is a jackass" lists that are apparently causing some people to stop being fans...it's so remarkably puerile that I need to give tumblr a bit of a break for a mo.


Amy - Jan 20, 2013 12:15:41 pm PST #27349 of 30002
Because books.

And no reason to try and make it a *bigger* apocalypse.

Except that's what shows always do. Look at Buffy and Angel specifically.

I think trying too hard to make the next big bad scarier and more apocalyptic is always tough, and I thought it with Buffy and Angel, too -- I'd like it if they just made them *different*. Like, a big bad no spells would work on. Or maybe a big bad that's entirely incorporeal.

I don't know how far the stupid foofurrah about tumblr fan response to the cute West cooking video Misha posted

Wait, what? Or do I not want to know?

Okay, I just watched that and laughed so hard, my face hurts. West is priceless. What on earth are people objecting to?


§ ita § - Jan 20, 2013 3:26:44 pm PST #27350 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Apparently there were two reactions other than the one true "OMGHOWCUTEISTHAT????" response--someone in Vancouver worked out where he was living (it would be hysterical if he was faking the front of the house, though) and went there and posted her tumblr address. Also, there seems to be a surge of "Misha Collins is an asshole, because this one time he..." and the things he did involve suggesting scavenger hunt suggestions that are dangerous, illegally moving trees, not running a charity properly, doing things that cost money for fans to participate in and on and on...

I've read a couple of the "You're an idiot if you stan him" posts/tumblrs, and then a few "OMG, he's not perfect, I thought he was perfect, my whole worldview is suspect now" and I just really can't take how idiotic people are willing to be in public sometimes.

I have not seen the "Misha is a bad parent, how dare he let West..." yet, and I'm honestly disappointed. In that way that's not fucking disappointed at all. But I'm sure, for instance, there are people in the anon meme (assuming it's still alive--I haven't looked in an age) talking that sort of shit. Because people are people.


Amy - Jan 20, 2013 3:39:56 pm PST #27351 of 30002
Because books.

I wondered if parenting was the issue. Not that I think he did anything wrong. I think West is pretty self-confident and capable for his age, and that's all due to his parents. Also, way to eat, kiddo.


Amy - Jan 20, 2013 6:17:17 pm PST #27352 of 30002
Because books.

Okay, "Debriel" is my new most loathed portmanteau.


§ ita § - Jan 20, 2013 6:57:38 pm PST #27353 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think we should hate the ship too...

Actually, while it makes much less sense than Dean/Castiel, I've always thought Dean/Gabriel makes way more sense than Sam/Gabriel.

How much angel/angel is there? I'm guessing that most of the action involves a Winchester, but I've wondered about Gabriel/Balthazar as a side pairing, AU or canon.


Rayne - Jan 20, 2013 7:05:34 pm PST #27354 of 30002
"Oh no! Has falling sky liquid once again caused you the sadness?" -Starfire

Damn. I'm completely caught up on Supernatural and now I'm sad that I don't have anymore new ones.

I watched it in an incredibly weird order. I'd seen part of season one, but then dropped it (I think because of the time period). Then I saw a lot of Season 7 because we QC the Blu Rays and DVDs where I work. So I went back and started recording them all on TiVo which started around season 3, worked my way up to Season 8. Looped back around to picked up 1 and 2. So I just watched All Hell Breaks Loose.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 20, 2013 7:31:59 pm PST #27355 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Are you also not wanting the boys to increase their skills over time? I don't understand what you want instead.

I certainly don't mind them approaching hunts in a more thought-out manner and strategic manner. However, I remember when solo, non-special demons did things like endanger an entire airliner or shatter a concrete foundation with a punch, and vampires were so powerful and dangerous that they had to resort to using the Colt against them. Now Sam and Dean routinely outfight them physically, and I'm not getting the impression that they're supposed to have suddenly gained super powers. It's each new type of creature being nerfed as the series progresses that doesn't sit well with me.


§ ita § - Jan 21, 2013 2:51:57 am PST #27356 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Didn't Sam kill a vampire with his bare hands the second time out? And what gives you the impression that a demon couldn't jeopardise a whole airplane anymore? Just because they can hold out for 90 to 120 seconds of hand to hand? The main difference between now and then with Phantom Traveller is that the exorcism is memorised. The main difference between now and then with Dead Man's Blood is that they haven't gotten held hostage by vampires like that (am I missing something?) anymore.

There isn't a "superpower" show out there that doesn't give their protagonists varying levels of strengths, as well as their antagonists, but those two examples don't paint a huge now and then difference for me. Gordon's head came off really fucking easily. I'm assuming vampires have looser spines than we do, or something, if you can decapitate them with muscle and barbed wire, but that was established a long time ago.