Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.

'Time Bomb'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Anne W. - Aug 25, 2012 2:22:47 pm PDT #26244 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

Brady's death seemed really significant to me, because it had so many levels.

Oh, yes. I need to rewatch, so I don't know how much of this is canon and how much is my own headcanon, but Brady was probably the closest friend Sam ever had who wasn't Dean.


Amy - Aug 25, 2012 2:26:07 pm PDT #26245 of 30002
Because books.

Brady was probably the closest friend Sam ever had who wasn't Dean.

Based on the dialogue in the episode, it seemed so to me because Brady talks about Sam trying to help him and intervene with the drugging, etc. And Sam was so very betrayed, it seemed more personal to me.


Anne W. - Aug 25, 2012 2:27:34 pm PDT #26246 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.

And Sam was so very betrayed, it seemed more personal to me.

Oh, yes. That demon was responsible for the death not just of Jess, but of the real Brady. It becomes more and more heartbreaking the more I think about it.


Amy - Aug 25, 2012 2:30:53 pm PDT #26247 of 30002
Because books.

I loved the whole thing because there was so much to it -- not just Winchesters killing someone who betrayed them, like Ruby, which was accomplished in the heat of the moment without a lot of fanfare, or something dramatic like Jo and Ellen, but this weird combination of everything, and then staged really well, too. They took him to that alley to kill him, there was nothing not-planned about it.


§ ita § - Aug 25, 2012 6:19:25 pm PDT #26248 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've gone back to very few scenes and put text on them, but that little speech to Brady? Fuck yeah. I love it. I love how Dean calls Sam, at about the biggest Jared has ever been, calls don't-call-me-Sammy--calls him Sammy, and he responds without hesitation--that yes, they are the threat. And whatever Brady is spouting off just before the end, if you were worried Sam wouldn't clear the salt lines because of something he'd done himself--he's fine. That's Sam WInchester, Dean's brother Sam, Mary and John's son. That's Sam, and no matter how many demons clustered around him as he grew up (and we don't find out about all the rest for a while), he grew up good. He grew up to beat the devil and save the world and to cast off his destiny as a soldier, general, or vessel.

And Dean has his back. And even though he gets suicidal--somehow Sam's plan doesn't feel like that, but Dean has a way of seeming like he's killing himself every now and again, especially if it's underscoring how much more other people deserve to live than he does.

Unrelated to all that, I'm tormenting myself with a fic series (the one where Cas becomes obsessed with holiday sweaters and celebrating St Patrick's days and every little thing...where the writer hooked Sam up with *a* Sarah that wasn't the Sarah, but she's clearly gone back and fixed that. She just wrote a story where they take Sam to his first baseball game, and this big thing, and I just think of the end of Swan Song, where they talk about the concerts and the Jayhawks games they went to in-between hunts, and I just feel this author is hinging on their whole lives having been miserable and so unrewarding before she came along, and she's pairing them up and fixing the whole thing up. Yes, parts were horrible, but Sam got his soccer trophy! They saw some games--no, they didn't list pro baseball, but the implication is they did stuff. They pulled moments out of their journeys, and had some fun, and some good memories too. Maybe not heavenly, but yellow-crayonish.

It's not all on you, ficwriter, to fix twenty odd years of their lives with your fuzzy attitude to canon. Hmmph.


§ ita § - Aug 26, 2012 7:20:44 pm PDT #26249 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Why do people pretend for a second that this is not a manip? Nothing funky showing, but deliberately sexy pose, young Jensen manipped into a Josh Elliot Freshmen magazine cover photo.

If you paid two cents of attention, you dig that there are a couple screamingly horrible things (I still prefer to believe the polka dot shirt pics are manips too) he did, but not this...surely...


Amy - Aug 28, 2012 8:17:14 am PDT #26250 of 30002
Because books.

Boys being adorable. Also, I have never heard that song before.


§ ita § - Aug 28, 2012 8:20:00 am PDT #26251 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Unsurprisingly, that's the state song I meant in Natter. i didn't know it wasn't a specific term.


Amy - Aug 28, 2012 8:26:56 am PDT #26252 of 30002
Because books.

Oh, I missed that. I just ran into it on Tumblr.


Beverly - Aug 28, 2012 12:38:33 pm PDT #26253 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

YouTube vid of J2 panel VanCon 2012. At 8:36, watch Jared's head snap around when he hears a baby.