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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2012 5:57:43 pm PDT #26177 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What's the name of the shopper who used to keep prolapsing Jared's anus?

Said homophobic dead John fic had a manageable degree of gay panic...there were gay orgasms, I thought it was okay, but Dean almost left the house they'd been living in for a year.

Nah, I don't like the angles you're exploring. Shame your UST and sex was so fun.


Juliebird - Aug 18, 2012 6:08:09 pm PDT #26178 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

I don't understand the biological lore of some of these 'verses. Like, a lot of what I've read, it's natural for there to be gay sex between an Omega and an Alpha, and sometimes there's bebbies. And sometimes it's also natural for there to be only knotting with the male Omega, and heats and everything, but for the Alpha to also be mated to a female Beta that they don't knot.

I know it's a free for all with regards to authors whims, but I just wonder how much any given author has thought this shit through.

I understand the allure. It's like sex-pollen, what with the heat and making sex an imperative over-riding all rational thought (and plot hurdles), and the knot is fantastic for disallowing characters to get up and run after making a supposed mistake wrt the sex, forcing them to talk it out (making up for not having to work out how to get them into bed in the first place). But, for the 'verses that assbabies aren't possible, what's the biological imperative for a male . . . receptor, to have a mangina and go into heat? And for the 'verse where it's possible, why the female beta and the male omega as the accepted standard? And the male omega bond being stronger, and the knot not happening with the female beta?


P.M. Marc - Aug 18, 2012 6:26:19 pm PDT #26179 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

And for the 'verse where it's possible, why the female beta and the male omega as the accepted standard? And the male omega bond being stronger, and the knot not happening with the female beta?

In most 'verses I've read, and I'm picky, I admit, there are male and female betas, but they're less fertile, and don't have the hormones that trigger knotting. There are plenty of female omegas as well as male ones, but they tend to be secondary or original characters. Female alphas, which, HELLO! are harder than fuck to find written about. There's lipservice payed, but that's about it.

I haven't seen much femslash with alpha/omega. I did read some really interesting a!female/o!male complete with mpreg, though.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2012 6:50:17 pm PDT #26180 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Most of the alpha/beta/omega fic I've read centres on the biological imperative, and fighting it, and caving to it. Or about what it's like to be the exception in your family, whichever way round it works. There are often heat suppressants involved, or very late puberties. They don' all have knotting, and if there's bebbies on the tin, ita ! doesn't go in. So I don't know how that works.

And, to be frank, the knotting is kind of underused. It's mostly a potential thing, like, once we knot, it's going to be hard to do with with anyone else next time round, but they can do scent imprinting just as well. They kinda hand wave over the locked together period, once the direct prostate stimulation is over.

And it's mythagowood.


§ ita § - Aug 20, 2012 4:36:34 am PDT #26181 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I'm staring at this reading of S7 that's implying that Dean is suicidal because Castiel is dead, and they're reading it in a clearly D/C way. I mean, in a way that seems to say a) it's true and b) how could you enjoy Repo Man without liking D/C.

Clearly we know which ships I sail, but....

The idea that Dean is suicidal in S7 because Cas is dead.

First you need to find the evidence that he's suicidal, and then you need to tie it to Cas being dead.

By 7.15, Bobby is dead, so good look isolating your sources. Good luck telling this Dean from the Dean who did state years ago that he was scared to die, that didn't believe he deserved it, but who often got very eerily calm when it came down to the wire--he fights against evil to get out of that casefile much harder than he fights to save his life, if that tiny distinction makes a difference, and Cas being dead doesn't make a huge difference there.

THIS IS THE DEAN WHO DOESN'T FEEL HE DESERVES TO LIVE more often than, remember?

Defending Your Life makes a pretty clear case without mentioning Castiel's name. I think saying "Whoah...is that why he didn't fight back" is excusing the writers a lot.

Now...I think Cas could have easily been called to the stand there and Dean made to feel like shit, but to attribute him feeling like shit to Cas when Cas wasn't called--that's making stuff up to support your position. Yes, it's very close to Cas sinking into the reservoir, but between the flashbacks and the episode itself, I think it's clear where we're supposed to think they weight of this is coming from.

I don't know why I'm so tetchy about ships these days.

The basic case for Repo Man echoing Dean/Cas is actually a decent one. Just...falls apart on suicidal, and for some reason that frustrates me when the poster is stringing that part together.


Amy - Aug 20, 2012 5:32:15 am PDT #26182 of 30002
Because books.

Dean can't/won't be suicidal while Sam needs him, and possibly while Sam is alive. And for most of S7, he was worried about the wall and Lucifer riding shotgun.

I think Dean is tired of carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders, and I don't think he gets a lot of joy out of living at the moment, but I think he would probably find suicide a coward's way out -- unless he had lost *both* Sam and Bobby.

And honestly? For as much as he thinks he doesn't deserve to live, I think he probably feels he *does* need to make reparations for the damage their war has done, and that doesn't mean hanging himself and getting out of it.


§ ita § - Aug 20, 2012 6:39:56 am PDT #26183 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Dean can't/won't be suicidal while Sam needs him

In Defending Your Life he wasn't fighting too hard, but I think ascribing that to Cas is being silly. Jo and Ellen are right there. Yeah, I'm sure he could be a contributing factor, the Harvelles are textual, and Amy's on the tip of everyone's tongue, you know?

They also said he was being sloppy, and I don't think he was. I think for every case, he fought just as hard he always does to win and come back--just the one case where his life was being judged, he felt it wasn't worth winning.


Amy - Aug 20, 2012 11:03:09 am PDT #26184 of 30002
Because books.

I think in Defending Your Life it was the laundry list of his wrongs that had to be weighing on him -- it's easy to ignore them when someone isn't listing them for you, and bringing in witnesses.

Suicidal because of Cas? No. Honestly, I think he mourned Cas, but I also think he was furious with him, which is the kind of thing that keeps the fires burning, you know?


Amy - Aug 20, 2012 11:15:10 am PDT #26185 of 30002
Because books.

I don't actually know what this is referencing, but it's adorable.


§ ita § - Aug 20, 2012 12:06:50 pm PDT #26186 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've been looking at that on and off this morning, and I have no idea what it is.