it's never been established, truly, truly established, that God is dead.

It's never been vaguely established either. It's only been said that he doesn't care. Who said he was dead? Last thing I remember out there, he was maybe Chuck.

It's possible that Bobby didn't communicate with Sam because Dean wasn't there, and because Dean wasn't there, the flask wasn't there, so Bobby wasn't there. So far, I don't think he's been anywhere the flask isn't.

What is still mysterious to me (and I think intended by the writers to be) is that Bobby could not give Dean s sign when they were in the same room along with the flask. Move something, flash the lights. And the whole "full Patrick Swayze" remark underlined that we would expect Bobby to be able to do that, that there is something here that needs to be explained.

It's possible that Bobby just hasn't figured out how to do everything ghostly yet. Knowing it can be done isn't the same as knowing how to go about doing it firsthand.

As of 7.01, Death seemed pretty certain that God is still alive, and he'd be the authority on the subject.

It's possible that Bobby just hasn't figured out how to do everything ghostly yet. Knowing it can be done isn't the same as knowing how to go about doing it firsthand

True, but I'll be disappointed if that is all it is, because it sure looks to me like they are setting us up for more than that.

I don't know why Dean would expect that Bobby would know how to be a more effective ghost than anyone else. I'm not sure what's behind that, other than "My dead adoptive dad can beat up your dead dad."

I'm discussing ghosts with no bodies left behind, and someone is citing Bloody Mary and Route 666 as examples, and to me they don't count. For me, Bloody Mary is a thing, like Woman in White, an urban legend monster, not a dead person, per se--it's something more complicated than just dying, and...and maybe I just don't want to think about the racist ghost truck properly.

What do you guys think?

I thought Bloody Mary was supposed to be a specific woman's ghost that was following the cultural tradition, and that there were others like her?

I just did the research, and there's only one Bloody Mary. Or, well, was one. Dean's killed killed her now. Just the Mary Worthington. So the guy was right. When I look at it with his glasses on, we've seen even more than I'd thought.

I mean, technically, we can say that about all of the Women in White too, right? Because that's definitely a recurring thing, and salting and burning isn't the answer.

Is this Supernatural or MBV or Devour?

It says MBV at the bottom.

Ha! I hadn't actually clicked on that link, I'd been looking at it on someone else's feed, and they hadn't tagged it thusly. But that URL was closer to my cursor, and faster to grab.

I'm marginally disturbed that I didn't think it looked like SPN, and that I thought you guys could tell just by looking.