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Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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§ ita § - Mar 20, 2012 6:04:05 am PDT #24592 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, if you were trying to build a facility to cure cancer, etc, and didn't want to be bothered by hysteria and all that shit, why would you draw attention to yourself? I don't see the point of announcing themselves.


Amy - Mar 20, 2012 6:05:48 am PDT #24593 of 30002
Because books.

Well, if they just marched into towns across the country and started eating people in broad daylight, there would be widespread panic, and maybe people fighting back, right? That's not a smart plan, especially when humans still have to outnumber them in the hundreds of thousands.


sumi - Mar 20, 2012 6:07:37 am PDT #24594 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

It makes me wonder what their limitations are - plus if everyone learned the borax trick. . . hmmmm, why aren't they trying to corner the market on borax?


§ ita § - Mar 20, 2012 6:08:57 am PDT #24595 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Especially if they're not there to eat people. They only seem to be eating them in order to get stuff, not as food or fun. And if Joyce's style of frivolous eating is frowned upon--I'm guessing that you're only really supposed to do it if you're replacing them.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 20, 2012 6:44:02 am PDT #24596 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

When they first started taking hosts they were eating people for food and fun as well as disguise, though at that point they seemed fairly unfamiliar with the way the human world works. I guess I just don't see their motivation for pretending to be people and making themselves into this big corporate conspiracy, aside from its utility in monitoring and finding specific opponents/victims as with the Winchesters.


§ ita § - Mar 20, 2012 7:13:33 am PDT #24597 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I guess I just don't see their motivation for pretending to be people and making themselves into this big corporate conspiracy

But we don't know their goals. So how could we know that being obvious is more in line with them than blending in/being in the shadows? Monsters don't tend to blow their covers, so I don't see why Leviathans should be expected to.

All we do know is that their goals seem to be furthered by corporate shenanigans, and there's no advantage to screaming "Cthulhu!" as they enter the boardroom. Path of least resistance/Occam's razor/all that stuff just suggests to me...go with the flow.


Matt the Bruins fan - Mar 20, 2012 9:17:01 am PDT #24598 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

There seems to be such an air of necessity about it though, to the point of the lower-hierarchy Leviathans being threatened with "bibbing" (I assume that involves self-destruction?) if they blow the cover too much. My impression is that we've seen less commitment to secrecy from monsters that are a lot more vulnerable, like the vampires and shapeshifters that organized to grow their ranks in Season 6. And it started before the Leviathans even knew human beings had any weapons that could hurt them.


Ginger - Mar 20, 2012 9:22:33 am PDT #24599 of 30002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

there's no advantage to screaming "Cthulhu!" as they enter the boardroom.

That sounds like an improvement over the usual meeting.

The Leviathans aren't really working for me as a Big Bad. There are too many of them and the stuff they do seems so random.


Lee - Mar 20, 2012 9:46:57 am PDT #24600 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

"bibbing" (I assume that involves self-destruction?)

Bibbing was what Dick called it when they made the one Leviathan eat himself.


§ ita § - Mar 20, 2012 9:49:37 am PDT #24601 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I assume that involves self-destruction?

We've been shown bibbing. It's when Dick forced a leviathan to eat himself.

I dunno. I find the leviathans mysterious, but not random. They're making corporate power plays, and stretching out in many arenas to aggregate influence, but it's all very...businesslike. It seems consistent to me, and aligned with not running around and terrifying people.

I just don't have any idea what the endgame is. That could be revealed and I find it not in line with what we've been shown to date. But everything so far seems to be of a kind. And I like the difference. I like that it's not violence. I like that it's not personal. Not magical. And that they only really consider there to be two threats in the entire world: Winchester 1, and Winchester 2. Apart from that, Dick seems to be set for smooth sailing, doing whatever he's doing, that's going to take decades to accomplish or to keep benefiting from. Because it's not like angels who were going to remake the world and then apparently live on earth on their own terms. George was going to keep pretending to be a specific human for a long time. So not only do they intend to be here for ages, they intend to be on the down low for ages too.

I find it fascinating, the fact that the oldest thing we've seen has made the most seamless mass adaptation into our contemporary life. It's so much creepier that way. It makes humanity seem, I dunno, incredibly vulnerable and transparent, if we can get beaten at our own game so easily. And we don't even know we're playing.