I didn't take it as any meaningful prophecy on the Woman in White's part, just that she was deep into her "All men are CHEATERZ!!!1!" mindset and was punishing the latest guy she met for what she assumed he'd do given the chance.

I think that's how I took it at the time. It was only watching it again that I wondered. But it makes more sense that she was in that mind frame.

My impression was that it was some sort of mystical rule she was bound by--it was her schtick. I consider that on a level with Dean's eyes bleeding in Bloody Mary--hello?

In no real way would I want grieving John to be my father, but in the world of ita Sue, that's totally how it went down. I know it's incredibly unhealthy, but it's compelling on a character level because they made it complex (especially with the layering with young John (I still don't get how people (including JDM) think Kripke assassinated John in later seasons--I think they enriched him and made him more understandable)), and it's also twisted wish fulfillment on my part.

Oh man, that is one awesome episode. Brother love, father love, son love, it's all there. And it has one of my favorite lines: Why, John, you're a sentimentalist. If only your boys knew how much their daddy loved them.

JDM gave good John.

In no real way would I want grieving John to be my father, but in the world of ita Sue, that's totally how it went down.

Yes, in no way was he assassinated in my eyes. I know the complaints, I just don't care. He did better than I would have been able to and he kept his kids alive. I love him more than my luggage.

OMG, I have insomnia and Sam's season 1 hair is even worse than his season 7 hair. He's so adorkable!

Ah, the Cousin It days. I think the hairdressers on set must hate him - his hair looks so much better at conventions when he's presumably been taking care of it himself.

I can't cite the text but I fell like it's canon that the boys felt John was sometimes too hard on them.

In my interpretation they simply misunderstood how hard it is to keep your kids safe.

I fell like it's canon that the boys felt John was sometimes too hard on them

They've both said so, Sam to his face. In fact, I'd say "sometimes" is a strong underestimation of Sam's feelings.

However, John's reliance on emotional incest was wrong. Wrongity wrong. He took advantage of Dean's basic nature, and it cost the guy a childhood in more ways than just being motherless and on the run technically would. I don't think that was a misunderstanding, or them not getting how complicated or tough it was. You don't hand a kid his age a shotgun and berate him for not defending his little brother with lethal force at age nine. Nuh-huh. I'm never going to believe that was the *right* choice to make.

I don't think, if I suddenly found out the world was full of monsters, that I could have done a better job. Maybe the kids would have been better off being raised by a friend, but I'd be afraid the monsters would come and snatch them while my back was turned.

Oh, the H.H. Holmes episode was on today. I'm surprised to be reminded that the show was a lot creepier in its early days.