But? There's always a but. When this is over, can we have a big 'but' moratorium?

Fred ,'Smile Time'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Beverly - Oct 10, 2011 9:03:41 am PDT #22221 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

How Jared says Dean is keeping Cas' coat.


Amy - Oct 10, 2011 9:05:23 am PDT #22222 of 30002
Because books.

What an awful picture of him! (The first one.) It doesn't look like his face at all.


tiggy - Oct 10, 2011 9:06:52 am PDT #22223 of 30002
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

pretty sure it's just crazy shadows, Amy.


Amy - Oct 10, 2011 9:12:04 am PDT #22224 of 30002
Because books.

Yeah, it must be.

Him seeing the Impala was sweet. But man, it's got to creepy, a crowd of people taking pictures of getting into your car, driving away ...


Beverly - Oct 10, 2011 9:16:06 am PDT #22225 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

He's so gracious--hugging and shaking hands. But did you notice how slowly and carefully he moves in a crowd, no sudden moves, everything low-key. It's a skill, and he's learned it well.


Juliebird - Oct 10, 2011 9:43:45 am PDT #22226 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider

If Show makes good at it's implied promises, I wonder what shape Dean's unraveling/break/breakdown/meltdown/snap will take.

Also, I'm curious about Harvey. If he's not Lucifer reaching out from the cage, if it's not Sam actually being still in the cage, then is it some residual grace (or whatever Lucifer has) still insinuated inside Sam, or is it Sam's mind, and it's a nonsupernatural mental disorder, and why, if it's Sam's mind, would it want for Sam to kill himself. I don't think it's the latter. I'm leaning more towards Harvey after Crichton gets the chip out.


Beverly - Oct 10, 2011 9:46:53 am PDT #22227 of 30002
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Oh, thanks for the Harvey ref! I've been looking at Lu as Scorpy myself.

...that's probably just word salad for a non-fannish person, huh?


Amy - Oct 10, 2011 9:47:58 am PDT #22228 of 30002
Because books.

I'm leaning toward completely non-supernatural trauma/visions, or whatever you want to call them.

He's hallucinating Lucifer because he tormented Sam for a century. And between Sam's guilt and the repeated threats, his mind is producing a really reasonable facsimile of Lucifer.

Plus, if Sam subconsciously wanted to off himself, who could blame him? It would be a lot more peaceful than being a half-crazy hunter with a twitchy, grieving brother, a burned out home base, and only one other friend in the world.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2011 10:22:01 am PDT #22229 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I agree with Amy that it's just a garden-variety fracture of his mind. The supernatural broke it, but it's broken in a mundane way.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 10, 2011 2:24:16 pm PDT #22230 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Sam was also briefly Lucifer's vessel, which might result in imprinting an echo of the latter's thought process into his brain even with the actual possessing intelligence long gone. I'd guess he can imagine/hallucinate a better facsimile of Lucifer than Dean could of Alastair, whose long bouts of torture were applied from without rather than within.