Same scene, to the evil preacher. Memory is super awful, but I thought he made a comment something along the lines of "... people like me/my orientation...." I swear there was a less general, more personal statement in there.

Again, my flailing over what was being preached about and Cas showing up was epic and might have made me prone to hallucinations (or something). But my thought process was "did Show just comment on Cas' sexuality?"

I'd have to rewatch, but I don't remember that at all. And at that point, I think Cas's own sexuality is not something that would even be on his radar as a concern. He's god now.

I agree with that, which is why I was so shocked at what I *thought* I'd heard. My god, my brain is so one-track lately. The more I write the more I'm "that makes no sense. THIS makes sense. Why did we accept this as fanon?"

I think that the trenchcoat/tortila line was my favorite and Misha is really good at the creepy.

I think Dean calling Cas a child is a bit much. I mean, he was around when the amoebas crawled out of the soup, or whatever. But the looks between Dean and Cas during that scene....

But he is a child when it comes to human interaction, and the blind idealism that he held onto. He was practically engaged into magical thinking when it came to his mission. He just refused to listen.

I think that's what Dean meant, anyway. And I don't think he meant it necessarily cruelly.

No, I don't think he was being cruel. Sad, if anything.

I think was thinking that Dean is also famous for his blindspots and I would think he would be a bit more understanding that someone might take the wrong path for the right reasons. He didn't sound cruel as much as condescending which, you know, see above.

But overall, I loved it. I think Sam looks great. Dean's longer hair makes him look older and a bit more tired, but good.

I think what bugged me about the "child" comment this round was that Cas might've been dead. Goners. And Dean's comment: remarking on Cas' naivete that got him caught up in this whole mess. Except that I don't think it was naivete that was the problem! It was bad situation, bad selection of choices, and absolute practicality heading the game. And I wouldn't describe that as childish. Soulless. Practical. Cutthroat.

Combine that with the actually voiced "if only you'd listened to ME". And, okay, I get that as a pathos of DEAN. That Dean's word is law, Dean is God, Dean's Law is absolute and even gods must bow before it. Except that seems a bit much. I can stomach that when Dean is whammed with craxy shit and he's reacting. But, to actually still be holding onto "I was right", when Dean was saying shit like "Follow my orders BECAUSE, I'm not going to logic you (i.e. do as I say just cuz it's what I say). Dean had NO IDEA that Cas taking on the souls would be bad for him. No indication, no clue, no fact. (this kinda goes back to my internal rant about Dean being anti-Sam-exorcising-demons). There's no proof that it's bad for the person, the other person is painted in a bad light on no facts. circumstances are sketchy, yes. And it turns out that Dean is right. But Dean never had the evidence to support his position, and the "guilty parties" are made to be all "oh, you were right all along, why didn't I see?!" Because, there was nothing to say that Sam exorcising demons and leaving the hosts ALIVE was evil. Cas doing this thing to SAVE THE WORLD with no idea the effect the souls would have on him was A BAD IDEA.

And, I kinda dig that Dean has that bit of John in him. But I wish there was more wiggle room for unreliable narrator. /rantycakes

Of course, I also think Dean was so hard on Cas because he loves him. SO much.

Absolutely, Steph! Again, it's Sam that is fighting to reach out to Cas, and Dean who is so absolutely devastated that Cas chose this and he can't bear to reach out to him, completely blinded by betrayal that it colours everything. Sam doesn't have that well of emotion or connection that's been betrayed, so it's easier for him to seek rectitude. Sam doesn't have that thin line.