You don't agree that emotionally, if not technically, that's what it felt like she was doing? She even says so: "I told him I loved him, I kissed him, and I killed him."

I think that's more important than the mechanics of it. She banished him from her life in the most permanent way possible (or at least she thought so at the time), and if Dean had to do something similar, I think the emotional impact was resonate the same way.

For me, I see a difference between Dean dying in S3 and Sam going to Hell in S5, and that's the same difference between dusting a vamp and banishing them somewhere else.

I know she said she killed him, but I think that's sloppy writing I now have to reconcile with the character.

Maybe we'll get an is he/isn't he finale cliffhanger with Cas--would be interesting to have a non-Winchester cliffhanger--but I think it's way more likely he'll make a huge sacrifice that might end in death rather than it being at Dean's hand.

And I think it fairly unlikely he won't be back next year. Just fairly.

that's the same difference between dusting a vamp and banishing them somewhere else.

For me, the impact (on her) was the same -- kill a vamp (in the Jossverse) and you assume he goes to hell, send him to a hell dimension, he ... goes to hell.

Either way, she thought it was forever, and she loved him. So it was a huge sacrifice on her part.

I don't think the SPN writers would shy away from having Dean do something similar with Cas, but it really depends on what the plan for next season is. I also think Dean has had enough losing people to last several lifetimes, especially by his own hand.

I think it's way more likely he'll make a huge sacrifice that might end in death rather than it being at Dean's hand.

Which leaves us with that, and I agree.

Actually, I never assumed vampires go to hell. I kinda just thought they stopped existing. Until Darla and Spike came back--irretrievable. Another dimension was nothing compared to that. Buffy went to one and came back. Lorne was from one.

As far as Dean killing "family" goes, I currently think (hedge, hedge) that Samuel was as far as they'll go, and although they had him sincere in his intentions, he was possessed when Sam killed him anyway.

There is not show tonight. Which made me sad until I realized that if there were, we'd be one hour closer to the end of the season.

Which made me sad until I realized that if there were, we'd be one hour closer to the end of the season.

Also, I'm looking forward to having a two-hour block of Show. That will be much, much fun.

Oh yes, two hours of HEARTBREAK will be so much fun!

Kidding. I just assume it'll be heartbreak. But two solid hours is always a good thing.

Says she who generally watches both TNT reruns every morning, still.

Y'all have probably seen this already but jic- Dean/Cas Cherry Pie.

Reading "Time On My Hands", D/C, natch. Hello, good fic! I've forgotten what you looked like! They get sent to 1943, it's canon AR, but gives me the warm fuzzies that AU's do.

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The video I won from help_japan looks like it's going to be to Chumbawumba's Tubthumping.