Well, most firefighters or cops have families and homes to go to at the end of the shift.

And in fiction, they're coming home to a spouse that's all "Wahh! Wouldn't you rather sex me up than save an innocent life? I don't get you! Where are your priorities? Why haven't you changed?" Thank DOG SPN has never gone there. But, really, supportive home life is not something stories put forward too often for people out risking their lives for others. I'm not sure why that is.

I would *love* in general stories if the cops wives and husbands were all "That's my hottie out there, saving lives and kicking asses!" And, SPNwise, I can kinda handle it for Sam. I mean, as long as he's out there hunting with Dean still. That's pretty much mandatory.

I'm not sure why I don't see it for Dean. Or want it for Dean. I just think that the first time Dean left Lisa and Ben he did it because he wanted to hunt too. Not because he was a monster, but because he was a hunter. It's his thing. He's good at it, and it rewards him.

I guess I'm erasing the damage John did to him, and his rock bottom self esteem, but the love of a good woman won't fix that for him either. He needs to get healthy and hunt, or get healthy and stop hunting.

but when I look critically at canon, I'm not sure it's really in the cards for him, even though I really believe part of him loved the life he built with Lisa.

Part of the problem there was that he stepped into an existing family unit with virtually no transition. So he really didn't build that life, he tried it on.

If it had a more natural genesis - hunting still, but pulling back enough maybe by starting with an actual home base, then non-Sam, non-hunting relationships with actual people and the hunting became less a mission and more an avocation as other priorities were allowed to take hold?

I don't know that I'm convinced it would work. But it feels a lot more realistic than parachuting in and calling it family.

I was thinking about real-life cops and firefighters, and being sort of blithe about it, because the divorce rate is insanely high for both, I'm pretty sure. It can't be easy to be a good spouse when half of what you see every day is horror, or when every day you're sitting home hoping a uniform's not going to show up at your door with bad news.

I love the fact that my grandfather was a career firefighter, but I also didn't live through those years worrying.

Anyway. My ultimate fantasies of happy endings for Sam and Dean only play off canon in the barest way, really. One of them is them settling down somewhere, even Bobby's, and training young hunters, hopefully each with a spouse or SO of their own, and the occasional case to keep them in the game.

What gets in the way is my *own* need for a home, I think, and it's easy to grab onto John talking about how much he wanted a home for Dean (and Dean's sheer joy with it in WIaWSNB). I don't really think canon Dean wants a home so much as family -- that sense of people who have your back no matter what, people you love and who love you.

That line of Dean's about just that in And Then There Were None killed me for that reason. Actually, all the times he and Bobby both have referred to each other as family.

If it had a more natural genesis - hunting still, but pulling back enough maybe by starting with an actual home base, then non-Sam, non-hunting relationships with actual people and the hunting became less a mission and more an avocation as other priorities were allowed to take hold?

Yes. This. I see it as a transition rather than a firm departure. I would also see Dean trying to leave the hunting life more than once before settling into a sort of coexistence with it. I could see him ending up in a similar situation to Bobby's--running a legitimate business of some sort while still hunting as occasion demanded. Heck, I could even see him finding his own version of a Sheriff Mills, in terms of an authority figure who would drag him in if something got a bit weirder than normal protocol could handle.

OMG I WANT DEAN ON THE ROAD FOREVER SHUT UP YOU GUYS.

THERE WILL BE NO REST.

THEY WILL NEVER BE DONE.

WAYWARD 4 LYFE!!!!

YES, to both brenda and Anne.

Also, Dean's relationship with Lisa was so tangled. It was lust and fond memories of bendiness, not love, until he saw Ben. And from there it became sort of symbolic, I think, no matter how much he genuinely cared for both of them.

Falling in love with someone *now* and starting a life together would be a whole other thing.

THERE WILL BE NO REST.

What about rest between occasional long and exceedingly dangerous road trips? Kinda like those Alaska crab boat fishermen.

(Edit: Amy, something you said in passing gave me exactly what I needed to fix a small but significant plot hole in my BB, so thanks!)

I'm glad they never said Dean was in love with Lisa and I hope they never do. It was too random for me to accept love on top of those expectations. In love with Cassie I always bought. Just...Lisa? Why? I was probably taking it too personally, but no.

What about rest between occasional long and exceedingly dangerous road trips?

They can't be too occasional.

Glad to help, Anne. Whatever it was I said!

I think Dean came to love Lisa, but wasn't *in love* with her. And wow, that sounds totally high school, but I do think there's a difference.

I think Dean came to love Lisa, but wasn't *in love* with her. And wow, that sounds totally high school, but I do think there's a difference.

As do I. If Dean could have been *in* love to any degree in that relationship, it would have been with the ideal that Ben and Lisa represented. It would have been something abstract, too tied up in his own daydreams and trying to live the life Sam wanted him to have.