but I don't know what else would explain the transformation that is evidenced as you go through years of panel footage.
Growing up?
Book: I believe I just... I think I'm on the wrong ship. Inara: Maybe. Or maybe you're exactly where you ought to be.
'Serenity'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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§ ita § - Apr 11, 2011 7:45:53 pm PDT #19048 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Theresa - Apr 11, 2011 8:54:37 pm PDT #19049 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
Exactly. Growing and learning to be comfortable in his own skin due to experience. But it's still learning.
§ ita § - Apr 11, 2011 8:56:15 pm PDT #19050 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
But there's deliberate learning, that you'd call out, because someone studied or was taught, and then there's just...growing. Maybe she meant the latter. I didn't read the whole thing, so I don't know if she goes into more detail.
Theresa - Apr 11, 2011 9:40:43 pm PDT #19051 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"
I read her meaning as just the natural maturation of a person, which is what I also observe. Luckily for Jensen, he was like a fine wine.
eta: I was wrong. I started talking as if I shared a brain with the author when we are actually saying the opposite in why there is a difference. She said:
This is charisma and this is something that you can't learn. You have it, or not. Jensen has it.
My position was that while I think this is true to an extent, Jensen has learned (on his own without formal training) what works for him. The same way that any of us learn in our day to day lives. That, to me, falls under the umbrella of growth.
I don't know what she accounted causing the change that she also saw, if she considered his charisma something that he couldn't learn.
§ ita § - Apr 12, 2011 4:53:15 am PDT #19052 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is charisma usually considered learnable? Fakeable, I guess, but learnable?
Anyway, I dunno. I never saw him years ago. At Paley he looked like a nice charming actor--nothing special over and above the rest. They were all personable and fun and cute. REALLY personable and fun and cute. By nothing special I don't mean to imply a ridiculously high bar wasn't set.
Maybe she talked to him in person? I dunno.
Sneak peek. My heart goes out to Dean every time the topic of dogs comes up. Poor boo!
Matt the Bruins fan - Apr 12, 2011 5:28:17 am PDT #19053 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I don't know what she accounted causing the change that she also saw, if she considered his charisma something that he couldn't learn.
Charisma transplant, perhaps? Tom Cruise's must have gone somewhere.
Amy - Apr 12, 2011 5:34:10 am PDT #19054 of 30002
Because books.
My heart goes out to Dean every time...
I'm not awake yet, because the first things I thought were Mystery Spot! And then seeing Sam in heaven with his adopted dog . Hello, moar caffeine.
§ ita § - Apr 12, 2011 5:41:40 am PDT #19055 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Having recently watched a random DOOL-era interview with twink!Jensen, I don't know what the big deal is. He was a charming young adult, he's a charming adult. He may be more composed and charming now, but that's hardly surprising. Cons are a clusterfuck. Growing more comfortable with them over time...well, that makes sense. But he wasn't lacking in charm when he came on the scene.
-t - Apr 12, 2011 6:52:24 am PDT #19056 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
I don't know about Jensen in particular, but charisma is learnable, or so my textbooks insisted. There are behaviors you can practice that will make you more charismatic, is the general idea.
I found the idea disturbing so it stuck in my head.
Amy - Apr 12, 2011 7:06:02 am PDT #19057 of 30002
Because books.
I think he's simply that much older and more comfortable with this gig (and the fandom attached). He found a great friend, he fell in love and got married -- he's not a kid anymore. I don't think it's any more complicated than that, really.
I'm glad he figured out how to have fun with it.