being burned so so badly

How do you mean burnt? Isn't the worst that can happen that you turn out to be wrong?

Crowley makes sense for me, Eve singling out the boys makes sense if word travels--Samuel, not as much. Crowley makes sense for me up to the point where he can reach into Heaven and get people. That seems a lot for a demon, even the ruler of Hell.

However, the idea that pulling Samuel out of the afterlife is the way to get the Hardy Boys on his case (and that it has to be them) makes sense, even if it misfired.

Burnt, as in trying to use logic to speculate on the progession of a story, spend time and thought in untangling a story, only to find the writers took the shortest route out of the web they wove, with the least amount of logic possible.

Even looking back over seasons 2-5, it's still unclear the logic and motives and endgame of Azazel, Alistair, Ruby, Lilith, Uriel, & Zacchariah, the conjoining, conflicting, parallel, and obtuse angle angel motives don't make sense.

Basically, I'm saying I'm not going to think about the plot of Show until Show reveals all (or as much as it will), and as such, I have to logically remove myself from the conversation. I don't understand, and I'm not going to try.

Ah, I see.

Half the point of fandom is, for me, teasing these things out. I can't imagine not wondering. But I don't invest in it--whether I'm right or I'm wrong I still spent the same amount of time doing it.

Besides, when a show goes all X-Files, everyone gets shat upon, not just those (millions and millions) who could have pulled something more sensical out of their asses.

Crowley makes sense for me, Eve singling out the boys makes sense if word travels--Samuel, not as much.

I think part of my problem (if it is one) is that I can get invested in figuring out the logic if I want to, but with TV I can never forget the meta (unlike, say, a book series, where it's not really necessary).

For example: Bringing John back would have been awesome, and made more sense than Samuel -- it would have given the boys a huge motivation to work with him, and therefore for Crowley, and if Crowley had promised to bring back Mary for *John*, think what he would have done.

But getting JDM back for recurring episodes? Certainly hasn't seemed to work so far, and who knows, maybe the show runners have reasons not to. I have hard time separating what I know are logistics from the storyline, I guess, and I'm pretty willing to accept the limitations.

Also, some of the mythology they've built around souls and angel vessels doesn't really seem untangle-able to me, so I try to apply handwavium when I can.

Unless I get a bee in my bonnet about things like heaven, since I wanted to write fic set there.

Cold PBR:

I should make it clear, though, that I LOVE to speculate and talk about it. It stays fairly theoretical for me, though, unless you go to some weird place like John abused the boys as kids, for instance.

I think I'm more invested in the characters and the overall themes than the weekly plots.

Yeah, I love speculating about the boys, and the generalities, but getting detailed about the McGuffin (although that's easy to get huffy about) and the nature of vampires and other monsters, I can't do it if I'm sure the writers care less than I do. But as long as Sam and Dean stay true, I'm good.

Amy, Peanut Butter and Relish?

But Dean would never have threatened to shoot John dead, and his venging against Samuel was one of my (fairly many) favourite moments of the season.

Then again, John! So there is that.

unless you go to some weird place like John abused the boys as kids, for instance.

Emotionally, physically, or sexually, or should I not go there?

I'm way more invested in the characters and relationships than the facty facts of the plots. Somehow, though, the monsters aren't the same level of vehicle for the emotions and psyches as in Buffy--I think Joss got that better than Kripke does. Joss never met a monster that wasn't a metaphor. But on a very real level, I think Kripke just likes monsters.

Julie, Julie, Julie. Pabst Blue Ribbon! Ash's favorite!

Emotionally, physically, or sexually, or should I not go there?

I'm going to say in any way, purposely. Although he clearly caused emotional damage.

But on a very real level, I think Kripke just likes monsters.

Me, too. Once in a while he uses them as metaphors pretty well, or at least as vehicles to explore what's going in the psyches of the boys, but not as often as Joss did.

I feel so ashamed, Amy! My beer of choice when I visit my brother since it costs all of three dollars. I am a sad excuse for a cheap beer drinker that my first thought was peanut butter and jelly.