I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Laga - Feb 26, 2011 8:32:23 am PST #18222 of 30002
You should know I'm a big deal in the Resistance.

Did you see Blazing Saddles? It's a reference to the scene where they smash through the set into an actual set of another movie.

oh duh! I was googling 'The French Mistake' looking for a video clip from Blazing Saddles when I first found out what that term means.


Theresa - Feb 26, 2011 10:22:20 am PST #18223 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

That wasn't Clif their bodyguard. He was Tiny in Folsom Prison Blues.

Clif Kosterman played Tiny as well.


Amy - Feb 26, 2011 10:43:09 am PST #18224 of 30002
Because books.

Right, Clif played Tiny. And Clif is their bodyguard and driver, but he didn't play the driver Clif in the episode. For one, Clif is bald, but he's also a hell of a lot bigger than whoever that guy is.

The other half saw in TV Guide that none of the crew played themselves, so I'm not sure what vancouvernights meant.


Theresa - Feb 26, 2011 11:42:01 am PST #18225 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Huh. Maybe she got confused. She was probably pretty giddy just seeing the show.


Morgana - Feb 26, 2011 5:50:53 pm PST #18226 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

So, for me, I got meta, comedy, heaven's civil war plot advancement

I find myself lacking almost all interest in the heaven's civil war plot. We haven't been told enough about it to hang our emotional investment on, and as far as the Winchesters go it's just another round of them being pushed around like pawns while they can't really affect the outcome of the battles. Sam and Dean will side with Castiel because he's their friend, but we don't even know what his "side" is. Seriously, while phenomenal cosmic powers are slugging it out, two mortals wouldn't be able to do anything about it, particularly since they aren't even the Vessels any longer.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2011 5:52:29 pm PST #18227 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sam and Dean will side with Castiel because he's their friend

I'd like to think they're siding with Castiel because he's trying to prevent most of humanity from being wiped out, and they'd do that even if they didn't like him. Raphael's been pretty clear about what he wants to accomplish, and the collateral damage that would ensue.


Morgana - Feb 26, 2011 5:56:26 pm PST #18228 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

But it doesn't even matter why they're siding with him. They don't really have the ability to make a difference in a war between the angels. All that will happen is that they'll keep getting used as pawns between the angels -- Castiel, Balthazar, Raphael -- and I find it frustrating to see them put in that position. I'd rather see them in storylines where they have more agency.


Amy - Feb 26, 2011 5:57:50 pm PST #18229 of 30002
Because books.

They don't really have the ability to make a difference in a war between the angels.

How can you possibly know that?

My guess is the reason we haven't seen more of that war is because it's not the main plot point, it's not the season end game. I assume that's purgatory/Mother, and that the angels and what they know about souls will play into *that* somehow. In the meantime, though, it seems we need to know that there's still unrest in heaven, and that souls have something to do with it.


§ ita § - Feb 26, 2011 6:03:05 pm PST #18230 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

You brought up the why explicitly, and I disagree. I also think there's plenty of room for the writers to put them in positions where they're the only ones that can fulfill certain tasks that are vital to the success of Castiel's mission. They were important before they were vessels (they failed--but they were important), so I don't see why they can't be important afterwards.


Typo Boy - Feb 26, 2011 6:20:08 pm PST #18231 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

For that matter they were important as a "stick to distract Virgil". Made a difference in letting Castiel get the weapons. I know they were pissed at being used, but really Sam and Dean Winchester don't have a ton of moral high ground when it comes to using people for the greater good.

Incidentally about Castiel letting Raphael live: maybe I was reading the tactical situation wrong, but it looked to me like Castiel could indeed have taken down Raphael, but not before he Raphael took down Sam and Dean. Castiel is willing to use Sam and Dean if that is what it takes to save the world, even risk them, but not willing to sacrifice them.