What about Samuel?
Fred: So you don't worry that it's possible for someone to send out a biological or electronic trigger that effectively overrides your own sense of ideals and values and replaces them with an alternative coercive agenda that reduces you to a mindless meat puppet? Shopkeeper: Wow. People used to think that I was paranoid.
'Time Bomb'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Lee - Jan 26, 2011 6:23:50 pm PST #17233 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
§ ita § - Jan 26, 2011 6:34:32 pm PST #17234 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Raphael's in charge of Heaven? I thought he was fighting Cas for control of it.
Death asked Dean to look into the topic of the souls. That's a weird request if he already knows the answer, to me.
I am assuming Samuel was playing second fiddle to Crowley who didn't know the full deal about the purgatory stuff, so I would be surprised if it were him either.
Amy - Jan 26, 2011 6:59:58 pm PST #17235 of 30002
Because books.
I just don't see Samuel as having a big master plan, not being dead for all that time, and only being back a year. He was too long a hunter, and he's still grieving his family.
§ ita § - Jan 26, 2011 7:10:35 pm PST #17236 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
(I'm still rooting for Dean to kill him. I get that it's wrong, but damn, man.)
Adrianne Palicki's on Criminal Minds tonight. I didn't recognise her as a brunette at first.
Lee - Jan 26, 2011 9:36:34 pm PST #17237 of 30002
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.
DUDE! I totally didn't recognize her.
Anne W. - Jan 27, 2011 1:16:23 am PST #17238 of 30002
The lost sheep grow teeth, forsake their lambs, and lie with the lions.
I wonder if they could have him win the battle in Heaven, and then choose not to stay up there.
Either that, or redefine how Heaven interacts with our world. With the Purgatory issue on the table and a civil war in Heaven and one in Hell (was that stated or implied?), I can see a shaking up of the old order.
It does seem weird that we don't have an antagonist [snip] are they really going to introduce a completely new character in the back half of the season?
I wonder if it would be plausible to promote Meg to main antagonist, or if that would be too much of a stretch? To take Matt's idea of leftover oppponents in a slightly different direction, they could pull someone out of storage we've assumed is gone. That could either be very effective (I still remember the HSQ of Darla's reappearance on Angel) or a storytelling disaster. Still, it's another possibility to consider.
Calli - Jan 27, 2011 2:29:41 am PST #17239 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
I just watched an interesting vid about desouled Sammy and fandom: [link]
§ ita § - Jan 27, 2011 4:56:52 am PST #17240 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I wonder if it would be plausible to promote Meg to main antagonist
Thing is, it's been someone that's been the background antagonist all along, which is why I don't think Meg or Samuel could be promoted into that position. But I wouldn't be surprised to see her again, even if it's to kill her off.
§ ita § - Jan 27, 2011 5:07:37 am PST #17241 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
In general, I don't like when fandom does works with fandom in it, because they all seem to be earnest in a way that doesn't include me. I wasn't hurt or betrayed by Sam's soullessness or the rift between the boys. Sera doesn't owe me anything, and she knows how to work the boys just fine (zimchan's assertion that fandom knows better how to play with Sam and Dean is just entitled bullshit, IMO--they are not ours, it's nor measured that way) and when I don't like it anymore, I'll just stop watching.
But that video is muddy to me. I'm not entirely sure what segment of fandom is being shown there, and in what way. I just flinch when they show impassioned screenshots of people freaking out over plot developments. It strikes me as overwrought.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 27, 2011 7:06:29 am PST #17242 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Raphael's in charge of Heaven? I thought he was fighting Cas for control of it.
Well, yeah, but I'm fairly confident Castiel isn't interfering with souls making it to their intended afterlife. Well, except for Dean's. And Bobby's, I guess.
We don't know what those creepy refugees from The Shining that appeared in the visions from the alpha vampire were yet, do we? Maybe that's more than just disturbing imagery of past victims.