Now I did a job. I got nothing but trouble since I did it, not to mention more than a few unkind words as regard to my character so let me make this abundantly clear. I do the job. And then I get paid.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

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Amy - Dec 06, 2010 9:39:24 am PST #16313 of 30002
Because books.

I'm still unclear on how Crowley had the mojo to get Samuel out of heaven, if he was there. But I can't see why he would have gone to hell or purgatory.

I'm rewatching now, and I still don't get what Samuel means about Dean choosing Sam over Mary.


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2010 9:41:41 am PST #16314 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

why are we making the assumption that Mary is in Heaven?

Are we? Which is to say, I have pointed out that we don't know where she is, because show has deliberately not told us when the topic came up.

I think all Sampa means about Dean choosing Sam over Mary is that either Sam gets his soul back or Mary comes back--he sees those as contradictory, because of how the boys are working at odds with Crowley.


Amy - Dec 06, 2010 9:44:22 am PST #16315 of 30002
Because books.

Oh, I get it.

But why does Dean say "Break an ankle" when he's fighting the demons? That was odd.

Crowley's demons were always very well clad, I have to say.


-t - Dec 06, 2010 9:47:23 am PST #16316 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Crowley doesn't know where Purgatory is, he can't have gotten Samuel out of it. And if Purgatory is where dead vampires and shapeshifters, etc. go when they die (do they have souls? It's so confusing) sending human souls who aren't bad enough to go to hell there seems pretty mean.

Granted, it's not a very nice universe.


Theresa - Dec 06, 2010 9:48:13 am PST #16317 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I was thinking that maybe because we don't know the laws of who goes to Heaven and who has done questionable things but maybe not bad enough for hell, that perhaps Mary making the deal with YED qualified her for some time in purgatory before Heaven. Isn't that some of the lore, that Purgatory is for not bad people but those that just weren't clean enough to go straight to Heaven. After their cleansing time, then they go on to Heaven.

I'm pulling this out of my butt with no theological instruction, but since show often does the same thing, I think that is fair practice. I might check wiki to see what show is probably using as rules for Purgatory.


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2010 9:53:45 am PST #16318 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

We have no information that humans go to Purgatory, but Mary was a spirit, so maybe the rules for her are different.

I doubt we can extrapolate any rules from outside onto Purgatory, because starting with "monsters go there" I think they broke loose from most other canon.


Amy - Dec 06, 2010 10:00:52 am PST #16319 of 30002
Because books.

I'm pretty sure purgatory is a fairly Catholic concept, and as far as I know monsters (i.e. the wicked, the evil, any who egregiously are not in God's grace) would go straight to hell.


Theresa - Dec 06, 2010 10:02:47 am PST #16320 of 30002
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

Fair point. Also with Crowley gone, Purgatory is probably going to be forgotten. I'm thiking the emphasis will go back to locating Lucifer's cage and retrieving Sam's (or what is left of Sam's ) soul.


Amy - Dec 06, 2010 10:03:29 am PST #16321 of 30002
Because books.

The cast says thank you for the cover.

Oh, Misha. Never change.


§ ita § - Dec 06, 2010 10:09:32 am PST #16322 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Uh, one of the commenters says they voted 1000 times. I wonder what the margin was. Also...weirdo.

(I didn't vote more than once a day, tops! Totally balanced)