But the fact that he was a vampire shouldn't change Lisa's mind at all--it should resolve it.

I see these words and know they're right, but yeah, she's wormed into my heart. I want her in their lives, I know not how.

I say Exacttly to all of that, but I still feel that, narratively, they still need to come together to say "My life is dangerous for you" and "I want you gone", again, sober. If it was a fling of the week, I could see the show letting it stand as enough said on the matter. But this feels like it needs more nails.

I still feel that, narratively, they still need to come together to say "My life is dangerous for you" and "I want you gone", again, sober.

I think a truth curse is pretty much the essence of sober. As ita said, there's nothing there she doesn't actually feel. She just might not have said it, or said it so harshly.

I think the biggest issue is Dean resolving with Ben.

I know I'm not expressing this right. But to speculate that if we never saw Lisa and Ben again after this, it wouldn't feel clean to me. It wouldn't feel resolved or closed or tied up. It would feel swept under the rug. It would feel like a hasty fix to a supposed bad story decision.

So while the facts are on the table, it needs more. Especially with Dean still trying to reach out. Even if only to say "It wasn't me, I was vamped, and I would never actually do that, but I also can't promise that something like that won't happen again, and you're right, goodbye."

Even if only to say "It wasn't me, I was vamped, and I would never actually do that, but I also can't promise that something like that won't happen again, and you're right, goodbye."

This.

I hope Dean doesn't try and talk her out of it (which I imagine he wouldn't--I'm sure he didn't feel he deserved it in the first place), and I hope she doesn't back down from her position. Those are the important things to me.

Maybe Ben asks for him back, and he talks it out that way. That would work for me.

Or just comes by explain and apologize in person to both, with no attempt to get back together, just parting as friends.

Perhaps now Dean won't be reluctant to explain exactly what was going on, since he presumably wasn't being forthcoming to keep Lisa from freaking out and breaking things off with him. That way, still broken up, but Lisa and Ben won't be left thinking he'd be violent toward a kid like that under normal circumstances.

Well, since what we have now is a shell of Sam, and his soul is elsewhere... I'm assuming his soul is still in Hell as Lucifer's and Michael's chewtoy, and has been for the entire year plus now. The body returned but the soul remained behind to continue being tormented.

I doubt that. For one, anything they could do to get Sam's soul back out of the cage now would likely risk releasing the archangels and starting the whole apocalyptic mess over again. I think wherever Sam is, it's outside the cage. I would hope that while God was recreating Castiel (and resurrecting Bobby via him) in the aftermath, he also transmigrated Sam and Adam's souls into Heaven. Although, this being SPN it was probably some sucky traumatic experience instead...

My guess: Sam's soul is in a the angelic/demonic equivalent of a duffle bag, being dragged around by someone powerful who is not Lucifer.

Balthazar? Who wants sex in trade?

What? A pervgirl can dream!