So you don't think that was surprise on Sam's face when Sampa announced the cure? Or he was faking it for the room?

Or he was faking it for the room?

I think this. I think Sam thought Dean would be useful as a vamp in the hunt and knew all along there was a cure. It was a risk this Sam was willing to take.

Huh. I took it for granted that the surprise was faked. If it was NOT faked, then that tells us that Sam may not have come back wrong. He may have been Not!Wrong Sam until sometime after Sampa discussed the cure. Which means that Not!Wrong Sam decided not to tell Dean Sam was back. I really want that to be part of came-back-wrong.

I hate the idea that Sam lost all growth from last season. I really would like all of this to have something to do with coming back wrong, and Untampered-With-Sam still be the person who was able outwrestle Lucifer for love of the Impala (and Dean).

I know there had been discussion of Sam and paying the prostitute and all that, but I have a different thought in my head.

What is the point of that scene? Showing Sam all buff? Showing that Sam has no problem with sex - paid or unpaid? That he is completely over Jess?

Seemed a long bit to throw in there just to show that Sam and Dean are apart and that Sam is self sufficient. We have gotten that before. Am I forgetting something we learned from that part of the episode?

Did not like the Fight Club fusion. I think because I know the movie so well that I just saw and heard Edward Norton and Brad Pitt, and I'd really just rather watch the movie. I also started to read a French Kiss fusion, and no matter how hard I tried, I was imagining Meg Ryan and Kevin Kline. They both felt like too much "take script, switch names" and called it a fic. At least the fight club one had at least two points of straying from the script.

The Due South fusion I found was a weird disjointed incohesive mess of just more "changing the names", and that one had at least the potential for the canon personalities to somewhat map while staying true and also evoking the due Southiness.

and I'm still stumped on that thing. My next guess is Polar Night. Haven't had a chance to go back and see if I can find a similar scene.

Am I forgetting something we learned from that part of the episode?

Sam used to be the caring one, the one who didn't really do even one-night stands. He was more interested in relationships, a genuine connection, than something like Dean's casual hookups, much less paying a prostitute.

I think the point was simply to show us how much Sam has changed, hardened, and it worked really well with his speech to Dean about not caring enough to go save Sid, etc. At least not anymore (although past!Sam would have, and did, do things like that).

What Amy said about Sam and the prostitute.

And, yeah, Julie-- Polar Night, with Sam being infected and the search for a cure. There they had angels explicitly unable to help, but oddly they weren't brought into the mix this week. Why not?

As noted, I didn't like Fight Club, so I have no positive memories to compare it to. And I certainly don't know the difference between close to canon and copy/pasting names. Who does each SPN character map to from the movie? I mean, how does the Helena Bonham Carter thing work?

What is the point of that scene?

Sam was always shown as having an emotional connection before sex. Even one-night stands were started with an emotional connection. Now it's not just a meaningless hookup with someone he met at a bar, it's so far removed from emotion that he's paying a prostitute (whom you pay as much for leaving as the actual sex).

I think I have to stop making this a thinky show for a while. Thinking about it isn't making me happy.

My favorite ep this season was Bobby's and that was basically nothing about Sam and Dean.

Hopefully the show will win me back and I can rewatch it all knowing it's going someplace.

But what I am not going to do is bitch about it here because that won't be fun for me or, I suspect, fun to read.

The HBC doesn't work, and so it was weird to finally figure out that Sam and Cas were supposed to be best friends, where in the movie, the relationship between Dean and Cas would be Cas and Sam. Um. If it truly reflected the movie, Dean would have been banging Sam, and Sam would have been banging Cas. Sam and Cas would not have been just friends as they are in the fic. And there would have been no Dean/Cas.

And I don't think it's a good fit, but again, like I said, I can't make my brain shift to not imagine EN and BP in those roles, and I can't imagine Cas or Dean in them. Sam's just way out there. But I'm pretty sure so are Dean and Cas. Dean might be the closest. Or at least I can see Jensen in that role.

OMG, that ignipes fic is hilarious! I've never seen VD, but now I want to.