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'Shells'


Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?  

[NAFDA]. This is where we talk about the CW series Supernatural! Anything that's aired in the US on TV (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though — if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Typo Boy - Oct 09, 2010 8:37:28 pm PDT #14828 of 30002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Thoughts on souls. Standard fantasy trope: souls are power sources for gods and demons. Belief by living souls (whether worshipers or enemies)is a power source. Worship by living souls is even a better power power source. Souls of the dead (your by worship, belief or contract) stored in an afterlife are a power source.

But for weaker entities who don't have a whole religion devoted to them, another way to harvest soul energy is to destroy the souls and get power all at once. Like killing a cow for meat - fewer calories in the long run than you can get from a lifetime of milking the cow, but concentrated calories and protein in the short run, and no care or feeding needing. Balthazar, not having had time to set up a cult, doesn't an afterlife soul barn, but he can still get short term benefit from harvested souls.

Not saying they will go there. But consistent with the old Solstice God Sam and Dean had to take down for Christmas. Explains why they needed an annual sacrifice to stay alive. Also explains why the God's needed to set up a Hotel California last season. Eating those people was not just a quaint custom. It was a way to power up.

Nothing in past show contradicts this. And consistent with a lot of fantasy and some horror tropes. Again not saying they will go there. But maybe that is the underlying value behind the derivatives.


Morgana - Oct 09, 2010 9:35:27 pm PDT #14829 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

I like it. It ties in nicely, although I fear you may have put more thought into it than they have. It does give them the opportunity to bring Crowley back in to provide the exposition for this, so he has a function other than to stand off to the side and make bwah-hah-hah noises about owning the lien on Bobby's soul.


ehab - Oct 10, 2010 5:13:54 am PDT #14830 of 30002
...all my words have been taken by my work. - Mala

I like the soul power-up theory too. It makes me wonder how the Campbells gathering up the monsters for some mysterious entity ties into that.


Amy - Oct 10, 2010 7:35:15 am PDT #14831 of 30002
Because books.

Tweet with picture from Misha. Oh, dude. Never change.

(You either, JP.)


Morgana - Oct 10, 2010 1:30:27 pm PDT #14832 of 30002
"I make mistakes, but I am on the side of Good," the Golux said, "by accident and happenchance.” – The 13 Clocks, James Thurber

de_nugis has posted a short story that's a quick interpretation of what Sam's headspace might be, as Dean's uncovering the mystery.


§ ita § - Oct 10, 2010 1:47:25 pm PDT #14833 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

That story creeped me out in a way I don't feel comfortable with. Show, please don't make Sam bonkers like that.

I'm not sure, in general, why I'm caught up on SPN soul-taking to date being like Buffy, where it's something you can remove from a living person. It just keeps being the impression I get. Well, if they bring Crowley back and follow up on Bobby's, I guess I can find out that once and for all.

But I totally read this week as Balthazar as having taken Aaron's soul from him right then, and then given it back--and that taking the soul was what left the mark.

I suppose I could watch it again.

I've found one Balthazar/Castiel and one Dean/Balthazar/Castiel, but neither were particularly interesting.


Matt the Bruins fan - Oct 10, 2010 1:59:57 pm PDT #14834 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

My take on it is that the soul remains in the body until death, but is somehow tagged so the purchasing party can claim ownership when the person dies. I think the metaphysics in Supernatural go with the soul being the person and the body just being a shell, whereas on Buffy the soul was one component of personhood, that the others could theoretically function without.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2010 6:23:28 am PDT #14835 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Sumi mentioned elsewhere that apparently the leather jacket has been lost.

Ultimate sadface.


sumi - Oct 11, 2010 6:41:01 am PDT #14836 of 30002
Art Crawl!!!

Yes, there was a wardrobe TRAGEDY on the way to a photoshoot.

This is scoop from the Chicago con. They shipped a bunch of Sam and Dean wardrobe to a photoshoot and lost it all. Including Dean's leather jacket which was a one-of-a-kind resale shop find.

I'm sure that they have people out looking for another but we may never see him in it again.


§ ita § - Oct 11, 2010 6:42:55 am PDT #14837 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I have the vision of some crazy fangirl sitting and stroking the thing and muttering nutty nothings into its worn creases.