Huh. I did my first watch.

Huh.

Reading through here has definitely helped some of my confusions by giving me possible explanations. I definitely love the idea of the breaking glass in the title card and us seeing things "through the looking glass". Good job buffistas!

I'm along for the ride. That was never really in doubt though. Something is off though so I guess I'm waiting to see how that plays out.

I've only seen it once, but I found myself wondering through most of it if something more was going to be part of the djinn halucination. I kept waiting for Dean to wake up again and dreading that moment.

I buy Bobby's explanation. He was sincere in his reasoning and delivery. Something is off with Gramps though. Something is off with Sam as well. With Sam, it might just be PTSD. I'm waiting to see how this plays out.

Okay, now for a second watch.

I think I agree with Amy and I think it's an addiction that's not impairing his day-to-day routine, but he needs to drink to maintain it.

This is my take on it as well.

I TOTALLY read that look as an evil, I'm-reeling-him-in-and-playing-him look. It wasn't happy, or comforted, or homey, or awkard -- it looked smug, and pleased. This is one of the many things leading me to the "not emotionally traumed out by Hell" but "there somethin ain't RIGHT with this boy" and "Is it really SAM in thar?"

This is where I'm not sure I totally trust Jared to have given Sam the right expression to express what was going on. He looked at one point in the room full of Campbells like he was about to crack up and I wonder if there aren't sometimes meta reasons for his expressions.

ehab, you skimmer!

Whoops! I did miss the link. I like Mo's take on things. I'm stearing clear of the TWoP recaps. Demian is too bitter for me.

I think Dean definitely using booze as a coping mechanism, but I don't judge him for it. I think it's pretty damned understandable, given his life.

I think sometimes his reliance on it goes up and down, depending on circumstances, but drinking is, IMO, pretty far down on the list of shit that's wrong with him. I don't think he's living to drink. He's for sure using it to numb himself down, but...well, dude, his life has SUCKED. Sure, it would be better for him to take a nice jog or journal or talk to a shrink, but really. Not gonna happen at this point in his life.

I think there's a difference between drinking a little too much, a little too often, especially since Dean lives basically, as a soldier, and being a functional alcoholic. Might be a SLIM diff, but still.

Marcia, is your post alcoholic, or functioning alcoholic?

I'm trying to consider if Dean is addicted to alcohol or dependent on it. Does he have a physical craving and a mental obsession for it? Or does it to help him to minimize/endure the nightmares and to sleep better?

Having had an alcoholic as an in-law (a completely non-functioning one) and a best friend's dad who was one (an entirely functioning one), I'm having a hard time putting Dean and "alcoholic" in the same sentence.

From the AA Big Book, page 20:

"Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently strong reason--ill health, falling in love, change of environment, or the warning of a doctor--becomes operative, this man can also stop or moderate, although he may find it difficult and troublesome and may even need medical attention.

"But what about the real alcoholic? He may start off as a moderate drinker; he may or may not become a continuous hard drinker; but at some stage of his drinking career he begins to lose all control of his liquor consumption, once he starts to drink."

If I thought Dean was an alcoholic, I wouldn't call him (or anyone) post-alcoholic, because once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic. There's no "post". But there is "recovered", meaning clean and sober.

I would put Dean in the hard drinker category as described above, as that's where I think he fits better, especially if he can drink in moderation now.

I agree, Morgana. I've had alcoholic close family members and friends; I see a difference.

ETA:

Could Dean become an alcoholic? Oh, yeah, I can definitely see that as a strong possibility, dependent on life. He's at HUGE risk. (I'm not talking season plot-point, per se; just in general.)

I think by fictional diagnosis qualifications, Dean has had a drinking problem, and probably continues to drink too much. Trying to map that onto real world specific diagnoses will likely fail, because...fiction.

I don't know what the word is for someone who felt they had to drink 50 drinks a week to get by. It may not be alcoholic in the real world, but it isn't healthy.

Maybe Dean's self-medicating. If I were in the life, I'd need to refill my Xanax prescription asap. (And then I'd be dead soon thereafter, 'cause salt-and-burn does not loom large on my resume.) Drowning your demons probably looks like a reasonable option when you know half a dozen or so by name.

I don't understand the concern about Dean's drinking. My guess is he's drinking a whole lot less than he used to, certainly than before Sam went to hell and immediately thereafter, and not only is he holding down a job and involved in decently healthy relationships with Lisa and Ben, he actually seems to be getting some enjoyment out of them.

It was the least interesting thing about the premiere to me, in the sense that I didn't even think about it until it was brought up here.

Amy, I'm not really concerned with his drinking; like I said, SO many more issues.

But I like over-analyzing! It's in my nature!