How can you say that, ita? First Max is all "this dude is dangerous, no likey" and then inexplicably she's all "I have to save him!" (and let's not forget the initial "soothing the caged animal" scene). I swear it was evenly explicitly stated once or twice that she cares about him.
Saffron: You just had a better hand of cards this time. Mal: It ain't a hand of cards. It's called a life.
'Trash'
Supernatural 2: Why is it our job to save everybody?
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Juliebird - Aug 12, 2010 5:17:53 am PDT #12569 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
§ ita § - Aug 12, 2010 6:06:45 am PDT #12570 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Max is mother hen, and I think it's perfectly in character for her to extend her web to someone else not properly human. I don't see her as liking him particularly much, but maybe I'm forgetting something from an earlier chapter where she was dealing with him. She's only been thinking of Alec and the immediate issues of her team in the most recent chapters.
She got over her initial dislike, but it seemed perfectly standard "we must fight, we are now on the same team" dynamics from every show ever, not to mention most fics.
P.M. Marc - Aug 12, 2010 6:55:22 am PDT #12571 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Max is mother hen, and I think it's perfectly in character for her to extend her web to someone else not properly human.
Haven't read the story in question, but yeah. That's sort of the typical Max pattern. Her operating mode is, for better or worse, by S2, SAVE ALL THE THINGS!
Juliebird - Aug 12, 2010 7:01:41 am PDT #12572 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I think my whiplash is that she started off considering Dean a threat to safety of all her other Things. And then, without even having seen him for more than five minutes, let alone conscious, she's all "Fellow cock-a-roachies, we must save DEAN!"
Amy - Aug 12, 2010 7:08:31 am PDT #12573 of 30002
Because books.
Disappointing fic: [link]!
Well, crap. I just started it yesterday, and I did like the opening scenes a lot (although I was a little confused about where exactly in the story she was starting, and the whole dragons! and apocalyptic shit raining from the skies! was a little startling, too.)
§ ita § - Aug 12, 2010 7:42:37 am PDT #12574 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
she's all "Fellow cock-a-roachies, we must save DEAN!"
He's Alec. He's being menaced by White. It's not about his personality at all--it's totally about hers. It's pretty inevitable.
Amy, I am so hurt by that fic. I mean, in fic-proportion. It was so great. I think I can rec the first chapter, which is pretty damned lengthy. It almost stands alone. But the second chapter is pretty tied into the completely bogus revelation in the third (which also derails the main plot quite a bit), so I can't say as much nice about it--but at least the characterisation doesn't go off the deep end until everyone completely fails to deal rationally with DEAN HAVING ALWAYS BEEN MICHAEL AND NOT JUST SAM AND JOHN AND MARY'S DEAN.
Juliebird - Aug 12, 2010 7:46:38 am PDT #12575 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
I guess that just doesn't come across to me, as someone not totally familiar with the show. I'm not recalling, and certainly not strongly or in detail, the relationships on the show. I bailed a third of the way through the first season. And that's the pitfall of fic: relying on familiarity with the show and being able to shorthand it.
Amy - Aug 12, 2010 7:47:32 am PDT #12576 of 30002
Because books.
See, I don't even want to read any more if that's where it goes. WTF? Bummer, though.
In coincidental news, Home was on this morning. Mary says "I'm sorry" to Sam with a little more gravitas than I remembered, but I stand by my initial reading.
Then I clicked a link the CW tweeted about Jared and Jensen reacting to fan turnout at ComicCon, and was surprised when it turned into remarks about S6. Off button! Sheesh, people. Warn for spoilers, even if they are vague.
P.M. Marc - Aug 12, 2010 7:51:48 am PDT #12577 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I guess that just doesn't come across to me, as someone not totally familiar with the show. I'm not recalling, and certainly not strongly or in detail, the relationships on the show. I bailed a third of the way through the first season. And that's the pitfall of fic: relying on familiarity with the show and being able to shorthand it.
Ah. Yeah. There's needing a grounding in S2 and her complicated relationship with Alec, plus the backstory with Ben probably needed here.
Hey! Can I get a link? I feel I should now read this.
§ ita § - Aug 12, 2010 7:59:34 am PDT #12578 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
that's the pitfall of fic
I don't think it's a pitfall, I think it's a characteristic. It's perfectly reasonable to not do all the character and relationship groundwork with every writing job and to assume fair familiarity with canon, I think.
It's nice when you can get a story across without it, but that's a luxury, not a requirement, IMO.
And it's precisely why I haven't read any Good Omens crossovers on purpose yet. But I'll do the homework eventually.
Of Desire And The Status Quo, Plei.