Extended multi-part curtainfic. Not my thing either. Gimme a case, angst, first time, something. Also, making the boys demons but not like on the show? WTF? Not my thing.

In actual recs, I've mentioned it before, but she's been updating the WIP more frequently now: DA/SPN crossover: Of Desire and the Status Quo. Pretty angsty, and one WIP I didn't mind getting all up into. 36 chapters (not that long) as of right now. She's also the author of a couple good CM crossovers.

I'm pretty sure one of the fics got to the point where they had grandkids and then they died of old age.

That sounds like fifteen-year-olds writing wish fulfillment fantasy. Yuck.

I'm pretty sure one of the fics got to the point where they had grandkids and then they died of old age.

I can't imagine anything surprising the Winchester boys more.

There's a SPN/Good Omens crossover I've been enjoying, The Arrangement-verse. The author (icarus-chained on LJ) has conflated SPN and GO through Crowley. This seems to take a fair bit of the edge off the SPN version of Crowley, which doesn't always work for me. And the author's from Ireland, I think, and some of her word choices are a tad off for the Winchesters, although they work fine (to my US eyes, anyway) for the GO characters. I like her take on Aziraphale and his reaction to dealing with yet another apocalypse. Some of her plot points have been interesting and nicely thought out. As an angst-fluff layer cake, it's been fun.

The conversation on "fridging" in Movies is making me think how or if SPN would be different if it were John who was killed, and Mary who raised the boys on the road.

I think Kripke may have narrowly escaped a fridging verdict by showing us so much more of Mary's backstory. She did have agency as a character in the past, even if she was caught off-guard in the moment of death.

The conversation on "fridging" in Movies is making me think how or if SPN would be different if it were John who was killed, and Mary who raised the boys on the road.

Oooooh! I would love to read that as an AU. As Mary was raised in a hunter family, she might have had a better handle on the special work-life balance needs.

But would you do it that way? Or simply switch out Mary and John, i.e. make Mary the outsider who knew nothing, as John was?

But if there was balance in the work-life, you don't get Dean broken the way he is. And I need Dean broken that way.

Jess? Fridged. Mary? Not fridged. Ellen & Jo? Died fighting the good fight. Human!Meg, casualty of war. Nick's wife? Fridged.

Though I do wonder if I'd paused to think about it early on--I guess I would have thought Mary was fridged. But knowing she brought it on herself, no. Knowing she was a hunter, no.

But would you do it that way?

I think I would. It would add a layer of family tradition vs. pure vengeance hunter to the mom vs. dad changes. Would Mary's raising of them be different because the mom-sons dynamic tends to be different? Or would her own history as the child of a hunter, knowing you can have a home and family life (albeit an unusual one) while chasing down monsters, make their lives completely different? Would her initial impulse, to leave the hunting life and have a family, be changed by John's death so that she jumped back into the life to get vengeance? Or would it strengthen her resolve and make her look for ways to put walls between herself and hunting?

All kindsa fun questions to play with.

And I need Dean broken that way.

I'm saying.

I think you could make an argument for Mary being fridged until we get to In the Beginning, which isn't until S4. So, possibly an afterthought or author wank on Kripke's part.

I believe Dean would be completely different if Mary had raised them. I feel like Sammy's personality is in-born.