If heaven agrees that Sam and Dean were always destined to play out the fight between Lucifer and Michael, does that mean that if Dean hadn't made the deal in AHBL to bring Sam back, the angels would have?
She just... she just did the math.
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Amy - Jul 22, 2010 5:12:58 am PDT #12062 of 30002
Because books.
SailAweigh - Jul 22, 2010 5:15:49 am PDT #12063 of 30002
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb
I have always wondered about that, Amy.
Calli - Jul 22, 2010 5:18:32 am PDT #12064 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
Ooooh, then Sam might have the angelic handprint on his shoulder (depending on where they pulled him from and how they did it). Reams of fic would have to be rewritten.
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 5:22:02 am PDT #12065 of 30002
Because books.
Right? That would be a fascinating AU.
§ ita § - Jul 22, 2010 5:46:15 am PDT #12066 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Dude. Casablanca inspired AU (John pulls Sam from the Stanford fire and they disappear). Haven't read: [link]
Juliebird - Jul 22, 2010 5:47:49 am PDT #12067 of 30002
I am the fly who dreams of the spider
Would he (Sam) have gone to hell, do you think?
I think he would have gone to heaven, where he'd be in angel boot camp being brain-washed to say Yes to Luci until the time came to send him back to his re-animated corpse (that is, if Dean, in deciding not to make a deal, also decided not to salt and burn his body, and then the angels would have to ask Anna where she got/will get her sweet threads...).
§ ita § - Jul 22, 2010 5:48:24 am PDT #12068 of 30002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Sam wouldn't need a handprint if he didn't go to hell, and we have no indication he did. Why would he have?
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 5:52:09 am PDT #12069 of 30002
Because books.
Would they let you into heaven with demon blood? Maybe a purgatory of some kind, or at least a limbo.
Calli - Jul 22, 2010 6:10:42 am PDT #12070 of 30002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
I'm a bit hazy on the theology behind SPN. Clearly if you make a deal with a demon you end up in hell. But I don't know how much Biblical wriggle room you have on other things. Breaking the 10 commandments? If SPN is going the full-on Leviticus route, then hell's pretty full, but if they're taking a Unitarian approach then a) Sam probably wouldn't go to any hell [insert Unitarian debate on whether a hell could exist in the context of a loving deity or whether it's a special effects thing to increase dramatic tension] and b) neither would anyone else who hadn't specifically signed a contract saying that there was a hell and they would voluntarily go there in return for goods and/or services rendered. I'm thinking Kripke et al are not going the Unitarian route, but mixing linen and wool probably won't damn Sam either.
Amy - Jul 22, 2010 6:35:05 am PDT #12071 of 30002
Because books.
I think the writers are making up their theology as they go along, so.
I don't think Sam deserved to go to hell at all. But for fic purposes, the demon blood could be a way to keep him out of heaven and in a sort of waiting room until whichever angel could get the paperwork sorted to put him back on earth.
I like the idea that then Jake would have opened the devil's gate, and Bobby and Ellen and Dean would have fought him, and Dean would have killed him dead a million times over for killing Sam.