STOP VOTING AGAINST PAPA JOHN!!!

And in the next breath told the son he was so proud of that he may have to kill his little brother. John thy name is Flawed.

ETA: It's starting to feel like a Quote Death Match now.

See?! ehab knows!

I mean, I think that was huge of John, especially in that moment, knowing that he was going to die. Knowing that he'd never told Dean those things, and he deserved so much to hear them.

But as much as I love it, the fact that it never occurred to him to say it earlier, as well as what he had to tell Dean after that, really mitigates it (when up against Dean's quote anyway). I don't know how much of that Dean really absorbed, when all he's thinking after that is, "WHAT DO YOU MEAN I MIGHT HAVE TO KILL SAMMY?!"

I was there for John's quote for a long time. But in the end, *my* show is about the broken brothers, not the whole broken family.

Apparently.

Today.

Okay, at the moment I voted.

STOP VOTING AGAINST PAPA JOHN!!!

I LOVE HIS PIZZA!

P-C, Is that a vote you just cast?

the fact that it never occurred to him to say it earlier

See, this is part of why it's so affecting to me. Because he's been that clueless the whole time, just operating on automatic, and not processing what his son has been and what his son might emotionally need...and in that moment he gets it. And it is too late, but he's giving him everything he can give in those scant moments he has left.

But he's still John. And he doesn't know Dean well enough to know that the order he won't follow is the order about killing Sammy. Or maybe he does...maybe he has to say it anyway. But I think he came slap bang up against his limitations right there, and I think in that moment he transcended them, just a little.

P-C, Is that a vote you just cast?

No, it is simply a vote for pizza.

I have to say, the one thing this match up is making me want more than anything is to watch the beginning of S2 again.

I watched Sympathy for the Devil and Good God Y'All after they just reaired and ... I think I miss the first two seasons a lot.

But I think he came slap bang up against his limitations right there, and I think in that moment he transcended them, just a little.

I agree. And I love him for doing what he did, even if I want to smack him a little for not doing it sooner. I love John, and all of his conflicts, and his love for his dead wife and dead dreams, and how that turned into vengeance, and how he tried his best to raise his boys, despite the crazy life he pushed them into.

It was a tough choice! But like Cass said, for me, it's the boys. And that scene with Dean -- there's nothing I don't love. JA's delivery, the writing, Dean's absolute grief and desperation, and how much he admits about what he wanted for Sammy, about how he *parented* this boy on the bed before him. That's the kind of moment that breaks people, and we see it as it breaks Dean, bleeding right into the Impala screeching away to the crossroads.

You all have such well-reasoned arguments for your votes, that's just making it harder for me to choose! But I think I have to go with:

• What am I supposed to do?

As much as I love the John quote, and I thought it was high time he said that to Dean, this show is ultimately about the brothers. And Dean's soliloquey was so pitch perfect and just made me weep like a baby that I really can't go with anything else. It's the whole point of the show wrapped up in a single manly tear.