They're doing it backwards; walking up the down slide.

River ,'Ariel'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sue - Jan 04, 2009 10:17:40 am PST #9336 of 10002
hip deep in pie

I think I have ix-nayed the outside portion of the day. Although I have friends stopping by, so I have my outside pants on.


Typo Boy - Jan 04, 2009 10:28:42 am PST #9337 of 10002
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Hi Shir. I hope things work out well. And I really hope you are not called up, because I think any good you could do would be balance by the chance of ending up actively complicit in some very evil acts. Some things can't be fixed from the inside, at least not at the ground level.

Also, in terms of third parties getting involved. Do you include the billions in military aid the U.S gives Israel, the U.S. vetoing of U.N. security council resolutions criticizing Israel, and the all the various U.S./Israel weapons trading and intelligence sharing as some of the third party involvement you are unsure about?


Shir - Jan 04, 2009 10:43:51 am PST #9338 of 10002
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

Some things can't be fixed from the inside, at least not at the ground level.

I know. And yet, that's the only real change I can believe in - change that's coming within the system. Other changes, to me, are mostly the same thing in a different guise.

Do you include the billions in military aid the U.S gives Israel

Not sure. Let's see. Maybe I'll draw the line in the military aid U.S gave Israel after the 60's, maybe the 70's. And that's mostly because it had a lot to do with the Cold War and Russia giving military aid to the countries around mine. I know Israel probably would have not survived in that time without the aid.

the U.S. vetoing of U.N. security council resolutions criticizing Israel

So wrong I can't even being commenting about it. Just for our entertainment, Israel was really amused to discover Russia's firm reaction, "stop the massacre", after what happened in the summer with Georgia.

But also, it's important to say that the U.N. never criticized Sudan, for Darfur. Or other post-colonial players. Belgium, who has a lot to do with what happens in Congo these day - nothing. So I think the U.N. is more than kind of biased.

and the all the various U.S./Israel weapons trading and intelligence sharing

That's more legit, in my eyes. That's business.

I know a lot of these is underground support and involvement, grounded with contracts in billions of dollars worth. But I'm mostly talking about third side dictating Israel what to say, where to sign and the rest of us (population with opinions) can be damned.


Laura - Jan 04, 2009 11:06:06 am PST #9339 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.

Health ~ma for the Theodosia ma. I hope things go better than anticipated.


beth b - Jan 04, 2009 11:53:55 am PST #9340 of 10002
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Health ma~~ to Thoe's mom and Resolve ma~~ to Theo


Cashmere - Jan 04, 2009 11:54:17 am PST #9341 of 10002
Now tagless for your comfort.

Health~ma for your mom, Theodosia.

How much would it cost to keep me from shopping at Zappos.com?


Jesse - Jan 04, 2009 12:06:49 pm PST #9342 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Good luck, Theo.


Barb - Jan 04, 2009 12:07:50 pm PST #9343 of 10002
“Not dead yet!”

Much ~ma Theo.


Hil R. - Jan 04, 2009 12:11:42 pm PST #9344 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Lots of ~ma, Theo.


Frankenbuddha - Jan 04, 2009 12:32:27 pm PST #9345 of 10002
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

All the -ma you need, Theo.

Gives 2009 the stinkeye