I just said that you're pretty. Even when you're covered in...engine grease, you're... No, especially, especially when you're covered in engine grease.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Calli - Dec 22, 2008 4:43:52 pm PST #7559 of 10002
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Happy birthday, Strega.

One of the reasons I can't see civil unions becoming the default any time soon is then one'd have to admit that as much as they may hope for "till death do us part" it's not at all mandated by the procedure.

People might plan a little more sensibly if they admitted this. I'd be cool with an option of civil unions that were renegotiable after a specified amount of time. Maybe a couple wants to plan on 60+ years together. Maybe they want to get together long enough to raise a couple of kids, but want to pursue their own bliss after the kids are grown. Maybe they want to form a union to support one another for 5 or 10 years after college while they're getting their careers started. People seem to want a lot of things out of their unions, and I'm not sure all of them can be wrapped up in "to death do we part."


Liese S. - Dec 22, 2008 4:56:51 pm PST #7560 of 10002
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I'm with Kat on the love for Obama eating spam musubi! I had to send that article to my mom. Yay, spam!

I love both balsa and paper airplanes. Oh, and we did origami with our kiddoes last year. Mentioning that the paper cup you can make will actually hold liquid? Was a mistake. I mean, it was fine for the teenagers who were all, oh, cool, and drank the pop. But not so much for the little do's who poured the sprite in their paper cups and then held them and held them and held them until the dye in the paper leached into the pop and eventually the pop all mushed out the bottom of the cup. Yeah. We didn't really think that one through.

Oh, and ha about the elementary strings. I have finely developed senses that allow me to ignore instrument cacophony at will. Handy skill.


§ ita § - Dec 22, 2008 5:02:56 pm PST #7561 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

People might plan a little more sensibly if they admitted this.

No shit. I wonder how many "till death do us part" marriages have pre-nups? I mean, they don't belong on the same page. Un-loving and unmarried as I am I don't have any problem with pre-nups, but don't ask me to sign one and tell me you'll love me forever and we'll last for eternity.

Good things don't have to last, do they? Is it a mark against us for not being permanent? Or do we really have to know this before signing up for matrimony, and otherwise just stay outside the institution? Then there shouldn't be government perks.


Jesse - Dec 22, 2008 5:09:33 pm PST #7562 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

A lot of weddings don't have "till death do us part" any more, as far as I know, regardless of the actual intentions of the participants.


msbelle - Dec 22, 2008 5:12:23 pm PST #7563 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

So ridic tired. Mac not asleep yet. DhjdkdjjdKjl


Liese S. - Dec 22, 2008 5:14:50 pm PST #7564 of 10002
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

We didn't have 'til death, and we didn't have "obey" either.


§ ita § - Dec 22, 2008 5:18:01 pm PST #7565 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

A lot of weddings don't have "till death do us part" any more, as far as I know, regardless of the actual intentions of the participants.

Cool. Not that I could tell you any of the vows of any of the weddings I've attended in the past few years.


Jesse - Dec 22, 2008 5:22:09 pm PST #7566 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In New York State, apparently a marriage license is valid for 60 days. [link] Not sure what that says about NYS, but I'm guessing they mean 60 days in between getting the license and getting married....


Jesse - Dec 22, 2008 5:25:15 pm PST #7567 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Hey now:

Q. Can two first cousins marry?
A. Yes. However, New York State does not permit Marriage Licenses to be issued to an ancestor and a descendant (such as between a parent and child or grandparent and grandchild), a brother and a sister of either full or half blood, or an uncle and niece or aunt and nephew, regardless of whether or not these persons are legitimate or illegitimate offspring. >[link]

I love the internet.

(The upshot is, I can't find the text of a civil marriage ceremony in NYS.)


Kat - Dec 22, 2008 5:52:25 pm PST #7568 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

I have finely developed senses that allow me to ignore instrument cacophony at will. Handy skill.

Especially given your profession!

I recognize, Hec, that you see it as a fuck you. But I certainly don't. I think it's a politically semi-pragmatic decision. I am not even disappointed so much as I'm eyerolly. I'm as irked by their being an invocation AT ALL as I am at whom is making it.

Also, I'm intrigued that Melissa Etheridge "has nothing but good things to say about Warren, who she described as a thoughtful man of the cloth.".