And boys -- let's watch the swearing.

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Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Dec 19, 2008 3:57:12 pm PST #7167 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Stuff like this: [link]

But on Monday, The New York Times’s Stephanie Strom says, the young foundation announced that it would cease operations by the end of January — a victim of the same investments that made it a star in liberal philanthropic circles.

And from then on, almost every foundation they mention is a Jewish organization, and the one or two which aren't are largely funded by Jews. And they mention about fifteen or so.


Kat - Dec 19, 2008 4:02:21 pm PST #7168 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Love 30 Rock. There is always SOMETHING in it that makes me laugh.

Does anyone know where I can get bacon salt in my area?

My spice shelf. We have an extra bottle of it.

So much to do still.


sarameg - Dec 19, 2008 4:05:48 pm PST #7169 of 10002

I can't really wrap my head around the Madoff stuff. How do you do that? I mean, I know it happens all the time, but rarely this scale and with such personal ties. What kind of mind thinks they can pull it off? And I am not calling him evil or heartless or sociopathic anything like that, I can't even presume. But with his career history, did he really think he could pull it off?


§ ita § - Dec 19, 2008 4:06:10 pm PST #7170 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I laughed every time someone fell down. Didn't happen enough. Tracy Morgan reminds me of family, and not a good way. He doesn't need to be in my living room. Also didn't like the other producer and the guy with the dumb baseball caps.

Tina Fey is quite charming, and Baldwin's great. They just aren't enough.


Jesse - Dec 19, 2008 4:07:12 pm PST #7171 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And from then on, almost every foundation they mention is a Jewish organization, and the one or two which aren't are largely funded by Jews. And they mention about fifteen or so.

Well, I can think of two arguments. One is that it's obvious that many of them are Jewish organizations. The other is that it would be irresponsible to talk about it like it's only a Jewish problem, so not something that anyone else has to worry about.


Jesse - Dec 19, 2008 4:08:02 pm PST #7172 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But with his career history, did he really think he could pull it off?

He pulled it off for a really long time! BANANAS.


Kat - Dec 19, 2008 4:08:18 pm PST #7173 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Yeah, if I can ignore the Tracy and Jenna stuff then I'm good.

Oh man. I have to get offa my ass and clean. But I'm so unmotivated.

Noah didn't have a nap all day. He conked out and is asleep now but I want to leave his door open to keep him warm. Poor bug.


Hil R. - Dec 19, 2008 4:15:27 pm PST #7174 of 10002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Well, I can think of two arguments. One is that it's obvious that many of them are Jewish organizations. The other is that it would be irresponsible to talk about it like it's only a Jewish problem, so not something that anyone else has to worry about.

Both good points. It was mostly the use of "liberal" that had me squinting a bit. Yeshiva University and Chabad (mentioned as a recipient of money from the Wunderkinder Foundation) aren't really known for being liberal, and a bunch of the others mentioned -- Ramaz School, the various JCCs, Brigham and Women's Hospital, North Shore - Long Island Jewish Health System -- really aren't political at all.

Actually, I think that JEHT is the only one mentioned that could really be described as "liberal." Maybe Elie Wiesel's foundation, but that's a bit of a stretch.


Matt the Bruins fan - Dec 19, 2008 4:16:08 pm PST #7175 of 10002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

I do hope you're not advocating an explosion in the middle of a city where several people I love live. Or, indeed, any explosions where anyone lives.

More like making a play on the traditional mobster "Nice business. Be a shame if it broke." threat. I'd prefer to see the LDS lose their tax-exempt status over all the political manipulation and have the place come tumbling down around their ears due to lack of maintenance.

If that were to happen, would Mormon minsters be able to conduct legally binding weddings? Or is it the marrriage license that enables that and the ceremony itself has no bearing on legality?


Theodosia - Dec 19, 2008 4:16:30 pm PST #7176 of 10002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Most Ponzi schemes do crazy things like return 150% on investments -- a rate that cannot possibly be maintained in the long term. Madoff's was IIRC returning 110%, which meant it could be spun along for a long time.

There's been some interesting commentary on Daily Kos, because it really doesn't seem that Madoff could have pulled off that much hoodwinking by himself -- there was a fairly sizeable firm to move those investments around and audit and so on. How many people knew something was hinky?