And don't you ever stand for that sort of thing. Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back! ... You got the right same as anyone to live and try to kill people.

Mal ,'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Kat - Nov 07, 2008 10:27:15 am PST #52 of 10002
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Aw.crap. I lost my NYT link to the conservatives saying that the moderates have ruined the party.

Doh.


Gadget_Girl - Nov 07, 2008 10:28:33 am PST #53 of 10002
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

Totally missed the end of Natter 61*. Oh well, it has been a busy week with the election nationally and homecoming at the school.

Woo Hoo for being in the Top 100!


Ginger - Nov 07, 2008 10:34:55 am PST #54 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Saxby Chambliss, who compared triple-amputee Max Cleland to Bin Ladin, is playing the 9/11 card again [link] I guess I'd better see if there's something I can volunteer for for the runoff.

There really should be a law like Godwin's law about using 9/11 in an argument. The Guiliani law, maybe. "Any sufficiently contentious competition between liberals and conservatives will eventually show pictures of the towers."


Connie Neil - Nov 07, 2008 10:38:55 am PST #55 of 10002
brillig

I just took a look at a site with Pop and EV totals back to Washington, though I just focused on the 20th century.

[link]

I was very surprised at the popular totals for FDR. The popular split for his first term was ~7 million, and the second term was ~11 million (I suck at percentages, so make your best educated guesses based on the population of the US in the 30s-40s, the grand total looks around 50,000,000 votes). My mother always told me that FDR was nearly deified in some circles, but I know he was also demonized in other circles. In 1940, with WWII getting going, the popular split was 5 million votes, even though the electoral vote was a landslide. For his fourth term, it was only 2 million popular between the front runners.

For some reason I've been thinking that there's been a lot more unity behind certain presidents, but I see now I'm wrong on that. Reagan on his second term got a huge divide, but so did Nixon on his second term. I'm not sure if I'm dismayed by the evidence of strong partisanship or just annoyed at the passing of the idea of the loyal opposition.

I begin to understand, though, how some people find the idea of popular democracy so unnerving.


Jesse - Nov 07, 2008 10:39:20 am PST #56 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Hilarious liveblog of the Obama press conference: [link]

Also, I loved that Donna Brazile piece, only partly because I love her in general. She was the speaker at my grad school graduation or something, and kicked ass, even though she clearly had learned everything she knew about us in the car on the way over.


javachik - Nov 07, 2008 10:40:47 am PST #57 of 10002
Our wings are not tired.

Ginger and Aims (and everyone), it truly is wonderful to not want to throw things at the TV when the Guy in Charge is talking.

It's sublime.


msbelle - Nov 07, 2008 10:42:55 am PST #58 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

Kat - was it this: [link] on CNN, that what I had read.


tommyrot - Nov 07, 2008 10:48:20 am PST #59 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I saw the press conference, but did not hear it (was eating lunch). Who were all the people standing behind him?


Aims - Nov 07, 2008 10:54:55 am PST #60 of 10002
Shit's all sorts of different now.

His economic policy transistion team. The woman with the short blonde hair and glasses in the black suit over hi right shoulder was MY governor, Jennifer Granholm.

t is proud of her governor


Sean K - Nov 07, 2008 10:57:52 am PST #61 of 10002
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Biden was next to him, Emmanuel was on his left. The woman behind him was the former governor of Michigan, whose name I disremember, but who I believe has been tapped for SecTreas. That's just from memory, so I don't remember who else was there, but I'm sure Axelrod was one of them.

I'm glad he's chosen someone with direct experience with one of the worst economies in the country, but I've seen some righties howling wailing about it already.