Look, Angel, I know you've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm still evil. I don't do errands...unless they're evil errands.

Lilah ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Natter 62: The 62nd Natter  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 20, 2008 11:34:58 am PST #2563 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is the American Shopping Mall Dead?

There's something growing in the New Jersey Meadowlands, the marsh just nine miles west of Manhattan--and it isn't the gentle ferns that the bucolic name suggests. Instead, what's emerging is a man-made behemoth, the largest and most expensive mall ever built in the United States. Originally slated to open this month, Xanadu is now scheduled for completion next summer. Lawsuits, political grandstanding and construction delays have nearly doubled the mall's cost to $2.3 billion. When it's finished, the half-mile "retailtainment" center will be a Vegas-meets-Disneyland pleasure dome with the country's tallest Ferris wheel and first indoor artificial ski slope. There will also be a two free-fall skydiving jumps, indoor surfing, a mini-city for kids, a digital media river on the ceiling--and, oh, some 200 shops.

The scale and scope of the project would be breathtaking in its own right. But what makes Xanadu extraordinary is the fact that it is emerging just as the American mall--that most quintessential of American institutions--is in its dying throes, if not already dead. Moribund malls have not gone unnoticed amongst industry analysts and Web sites like Deadmalls.com that feature photos of hundreds of now-abandoned sites. But what were once just worrying signs appear to have finally flat-lined. Last year was the first in half a century that a new indoor mall didn't open somewhere in the country--a precipitous decline since the mid-1990s when they rose at a rate of 140 a year, according to Georgia Tech professor Ellen Dunham-Jones, coauthor of the forthcoming book "Retrofitting Suburbia," which focuses on the decline of malls and other commercial strips. Today, nearly a fifth of the country's largest 2,000 regional malls are failing, she says, and according to the International Council of Shopping Centers, and a record 150,000 retail outlets, including such mall mainstays as the Gap and Foot Locker, will close this year. Xanadu, whose officials declined NEWSWEEK's requests for comment, has named just nine tenants for its 200 spaces.


Jesse - Nov 20, 2008 11:48:06 am PST #2564 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Uh-oh: Happy people watch less TV


Gudanov - Nov 20, 2008 11:49:01 am PST #2565 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

There was a big mall near where I live that died pretty quickly. Mostly from crime I think, people stopped thinking it was safe to go there and it died very quickly. There was a rather large strip mall and big box stores around it and they all died off a few years latter as well. Not much there now.


tommyrot - Nov 20, 2008 11:51:45 am PST #2566 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

So the Dow lost 5.56% today, following similar losses yesterday. So, has it lost almost half its value from the high in a year or year and a half ago?


Gudanov - Nov 20, 2008 11:54:15 am PST #2567 of 10002
Coding and Sleeping

So the Dow lost 5.56% today, following similar losses yesterday. So, has it lost almost half its value from the high in a year or year and a half ago?

That's depressing, makes me want to watch some TV.


Tom Scola - Nov 20, 2008 11:57:07 am PST #2568 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The Dow is down like 46% from its high; the broader S&P 500 is off by about 52%.


tommyrot - Nov 20, 2008 11:57:10 am PST #2569 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

That's depressing, makes me want to watch some TV.

Or you could, you know, play in some deserted mall somewhere....


msbelle - Nov 20, 2008 11:57:22 am PST #2570 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I think it is still 1000 points away from 50% of the high. Wasn't the high around 13000?


Jesse - Nov 20, 2008 11:59:04 am PST #2571 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

The high was 14K ish. And now we're down to 7K ish, right?


Tom Scola - Nov 20, 2008 12:00:35 pm PST #2572 of 10002
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The intraday high for the Dow was 14,279.96 on Oct 11 2007. The highest closing price was 14,164.53 on Oct 9 2007.