I hope you don't think that I just come over for the spells and everything. I mean, I really like just talking and hanging out with you and stuff.

Willow ,'First Date'


F2F5: I forget that everyone isn't us

Plan what to do, what to wear (you can never go wrong with a corset), and get ready for the next BuffistaCon.


megan walker - Feb 18, 2009 1:32:27 pm PST #535 of 12685
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

(Who says you don't learn stuff from romantic fluff?)

I used to read a lot of regency romances, especially when I was getting my doctorate and wanted fun reading on the side. I'm now reading a history of the extended Regency and I'm amazed at how much is familiar, from people and places to clothes and carriages.


Kathy A - Feb 18, 2009 1:33:55 pm PST #536 of 12685
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I totally read that one too. Assuming it's the same one.

Ironheart by Rachel Lee, one of her Conard County books (most of which were very intense and quite opressively dark, overall).


Dana - Feb 18, 2009 1:35:19 pm PST #537 of 12685
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Yep! Most of the books in that series, or at least the three or four I read, are actually pretty good.


Kathy A - Feb 18, 2009 1:37:57 pm PST #538 of 12685
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Oh, they're very good, which is why they survived the Great Romance Book Purge of 2006--I got rid of about 70 percent of my romances, but kept most of my Rachel Lees and Jayne Ann Krentz/Amanda Quicks, all of my Nora Roberts and Loretta Chases, and various and sundry other titles.

Dark and oppressive romances don't mean they're not good. Kathleen Korbel (aka Eileen Dreyer for her mysteries) writes depressing romances that are fascinating to read but you really have to be ready for it--they deal with parental abuse, adult illiteracy, Downs' Syndrome, Vietnam nurses suffering from PTSD, suicidal thoughts on the parts of the hero/heroine, just to name a few.


Beverly - Feb 18, 2009 1:44:10 pm PST #539 of 12685
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

High steel workers are usually from tribes of the Mohawk Nation, which is native to the Northeast, where much of early to mid-20th Century high construction was concentrated.

Eastern Cherokee Nation tends more to the southeast mountains, Western Nation to the southwest; neither area has a high concentration of high steel construction. Some, but not a lot.


Hil R. - Feb 18, 2009 1:46:46 pm PST #540 of 12685
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Mohawk! Yes, the steel workers were part of a Mohawk exhibit. It was a bit more specific than that -- a particular group within the Mohawk nation -- but I don't remember the group name, just that it was about 20 letters long.


Beverly - Feb 18, 2009 4:35:06 pm PST #541 of 12685
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

According to, among others, this article it was the Kahnawake and Akwesasne Mohawks. They are minorly famous.


omnis_audis - Feb 18, 2009 4:41:00 pm PST #542 of 12685
omnis, pursue. That's an order from a shy woman who can use M-16. - Shir

a particular group within the Mohawk nation -- but I don't remember the group name, just that it was about 20 letters long
and had a : in it's name, that we were wondering how you pronounce.
For one of the groups, where a lot of the men go to New York City to work as iron workers, there were pictures of a bunch of the buildings they'd built, and a quote from someone talking about watching the WTC fall, knowing that his father had been one of the people who built it.
don't forget the title was WTC, but they had a picture of the Empire State Building.
In other words, Native American. Multiple serving stations, representing different regions of the Americas.
Dude! I felt like Robin Williams character, that Russian dude defecting to the US, in the supermarket for the first time. TOO MANY OPTIONS! But was very yummy.

Hil gave you most of the details. I museumed for about 35 minutes more, until they closed the place down. I looked around the store a bit, was disappointed that most everything cost a fortune, but found a couple things. Then the check out gal said I could join the Smithsonian for $19, and get a 10% discount as a member. So. Now I'm a member. I was going to do it when I got home, online. But. This gives me 10% discount and who knows what else for the rest of the museums I visit. If only I had another week.


brenda m - Feb 18, 2009 4:42:18 pm PST #543 of 12685
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

but I don't remember the group name, just that it was about 20 letters long.

They are minorly famous.

Heh. It's funny to me because in Quebec those bands (along with the Kanesatake) are practically household names so I forget they don't roll off the tongue for everyone.


Theresa - Feb 18, 2009 9:58:04 pm PST #544 of 12685
"What would it take to get your daughter to stop tweeting about this?"

I'd guess it's a pretty rare exibit/event/whathaveyou looking at historical native american culture that even references who or where these people are today or acknowledges a connection between the two.

The Wichita Indian Center did a great job of being a museum/center incorporating past and present, because it was basically present responsible for upkeep. Current inter-tribal gatherings and functions were a staple of the center. The inside arena was large and so pretty that many Proms rented the center for Spring nights to have their formals. I honestly don't know if it is open at this time due to an unfortunate scandal with funds that shouldn't have been allowed to taint the place, but the building is definitely there so maybe someday soon it will be functioning again.