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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 07, 2008 6:00:37 am PST #9918 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Up until the economic downturn, it was a close race. I really think being linked to the mortgage/Wall Street crisis did him a lot more damage than picking Palin as a running mate

A somewhat contrary view: Did Lehman Kill McCain?

That's the partisan Republican spin on the dreadful McCain campaign. Krauthammer makes the case this morning:

The patient was fatally stricken on Sept. 15 -- caught in the rubble when the roof fell in (at Lehman Brothers, according to the police report) -- although he did linger until his final, rather quiet demise on Nov. 4. In the excitement and decisiveness of Barack Obama's victory, we forget that in the first weeks of September, John McCain was actually ahead. Then Lehman collapsed, and the financial system went off a cliff.

The data do not support this thesis. McCain was behind for almost all of the campaign, apart from a brief post-convention bump. Here's the Pollster graph for the period in question:

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You will note that McCain's slide began September 7, a week before Krauthammer claims; and Obama's re-surge began September 9. Pollster's polls are smoothed out, but the turning point was well before Lehman, and correlates with the disastrous Couric Gibson-Palin interview.

All along, the clear line for McCain was always down, and only the convention period - when people were still under the temporary illusion that Sarah Palin was a credible, rather than a farcical, candidate - gave McCain any hope.


brenda m - Nov 07, 2008 6:02:56 am PST #9919 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

You guys, he's here again. All this fascinating stuff with the transition and the cabinet picks and the glavin, it's going down right here.

The only question is how many excuses I can come up with to wander through the lobby before someone (like, say, secret service) notices.


Jesse - Nov 07, 2008 6:05:03 am PST #9920 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

You guys, he's here again. All this fascinating stuff with the transition and the cabinet picks and the glavin, it's going down right here.

Oh man.


Gudanov - Nov 07, 2008 6:05:24 am PST #9921 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Can you feel the extra hope in the building?


Frankenbuddha - Nov 07, 2008 6:07:17 am PST #9922 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Is it wrong of me to be wallowing in the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the neocons? I almost feel guilty. Almost.


tommyrot - Nov 07, 2008 6:11:04 am PST #9923 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Is it wrong of me to be wallowing in the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the neocons? I almost feel guilty. Almost.

I don't feel guilty at all. I'm munching on popcorn and watching in fascination.

It's funny - you can see people like Kristol trying to cover their asses (he was one of the biggest promoters of Palin) and/or trying to maintain their viability in the job/media market.


aurelia - Nov 07, 2008 6:11:30 am PST #9924 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

Brenda, can I meet you for lunch on... uh, Thursday is my next free day?

Lots of people are pegging Lehman Bros collapse as the point where the McCain campaign started losing, but I heard someone point out that his numbers started dropping 4 days earlier after Palin's Katie Couric interview.


Glamcookie - Nov 07, 2008 6:13:16 am PST #9925 of 10001
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

Glam, did you make it to the demonstration at the Mormon temple?

I did. While it was moving to see so many people demonstrating, it felt like the message got a bit diluted. It seemed more about bashing the Mormons than about equal rights. I mean, I'm pissed with the Mormons as well and thought rallying in front of their temple was a great move. I just think we could have left the Mormon connection at that.


msbelle - Nov 07, 2008 6:14:29 am PST #9926 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

In my mind - rainbows are all converging on brenda's building and a slight glow of optimism is shining from the windows.


Connie Neil - Nov 07, 2008 6:14:32 am PST #9927 of 10001
brillig

Is it wrong of me to be wallowing in the wailing and gnashing of teeth of the neocons

Why do you think the word Schadenfreude was invented?