Mal: Yeah, well, just be careful. We cheated Badger out of good money to buy that frippery, and you're supposed to make me look respectable. Kaylee: Yes, sir, Captain Tightpants.

'Shindig'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


tommyrot - Nov 06, 2008 9:18:02 am PST #9765 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

I don't understand the example they provided at all. Which I guess makes me kinda dumb.

The second example, I initially felt the same way. Actually, I felt the question was dumb (that it didn't make any sense). But since I was sure it would provide Important Psychological Insights, I pressed on... to where I could see either way of looking at it....


lisah - Nov 06, 2008 9:21:51 am PST #9766 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

The clerk told the dude that the biggest size was now an extra dollar. He gave the clerk the dollar to get the biggest size. How in any way could this not be intentional? The dollar magically went from his wallet to the clerk's hand?


tommyrot - Nov 06, 2008 9:28:06 am PST #9767 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

The clerk told the dude that the biggest size was now an extra dollar. He gave the clerk the dollar to get the biggest size. How in any way could this not be intentional? The dollar magically went from his wallet to the clerk's hand?

The other way of looking at is, the buyer doesn't care that it's an extra dollar. All he cares is that he wants the biggest size. So then he hands her the amount of money required for the large size. Or he hands her a ten and she gives him the appropriate change. The thing is, he decides to do the transaction (not caring about the change in cost) and then the transaction automatically follows.

OK, I'm not explaining it well. But it makes more sense in my head if he just hands her a ten or twenty, and lets her deal with the change.


-t - Nov 06, 2008 9:29:15 am PST #9768 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Or he swipes his debit card and doesn't even look at the total.


erikaj - Nov 06, 2008 9:29:17 am PST #9769 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

I kinda think Rahm is a weasel. But he's *our* weasel. There's something to be said for that. And he has lots of Lyman traits...devoted and scary smart. But obviously Sorkin wrote the good stuff. You know? A Simon WW would have focused on the wheeler-dealer side.


juliana - Nov 06, 2008 9:30:38 am PST #9770 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

How in any way could this not be intentional? The dollar magically went from his wallet to the clerk's hand?

Because paying the extra dollar isn't his intention. Getting the largest drink is his intention, and the price of that is an extra dollar. The dollar is a side-effect.

I come down on the side of unintentionality both times, but I'm fairly sure I don't have Asperger's.


Toddson - Nov 06, 2008 9:33:06 am PST #9771 of 10001
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

( )Considers the collective intelligence of the Obama administration-to-be.(/)


juliana - Nov 06, 2008 9:33:33 am PST #9772 of 10001
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

Or, to use a different set of examples:

The harm case
The vice-president of a company went to the chairman of the board and said, ‘We are thinking of starting a new program. It will help us increase profits, but it will also harm the environment.’ The chairman of the board answered, ‘I don’ t care at all about harming the environment. I just want to make as much profit as I can. Let’s start the new program.’ They started the new program. Sure enough, the environment was harmed. Did the chairman intentionally harm the environment? YES / NO

The help case
The vice-president of a company went to the chairman of the board and said, ‘We are thinking of starting a new program. It will help us increase profits, and it will also help the environment.’ The chairman of the board answered, ‘I don’t care at all about helping the environment. I just want to make as much profit as I can. Let’s start the new program.’ They started the new program. Sure enough, the environment was helped. Did the chairman intentionally help the environment? YES / NO.

I think the chairman did not intentionally harm or hurt. He may have knowingly harmed or hurt, but there's a difference between intention and knowing. I think.


lisah - Nov 06, 2008 9:35:32 am PST #9773 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

The other way of looking at is, the buyer doesn't care that it's an extra dollar.

Caring about it is irrelevent, though. He has to intentionally give the clerk the extra dollar (as the example is written). If it said he gave the clerk a $10 and didn't question the change returned that would be different.

Getting the largest drink is his intention, and the price of that is an extra dollar.

Yes, getting the largest drink is what he wants but he has to intentionally pay the extra dollar to get it.

The first example made even less sense. It was written like ppeople without Aspergers would think he was lying about wanting the largest drink in order to get the commemorative cup.


dcp - Nov 06, 2008 9:38:03 am PST #9774 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

I get the little red blip in Arizona, but where the hell in Colorado is that red blip from?

I'm guessing Colorado Springs?

No, that red blip is Saguache County. A lot of mountains and the northern part of the San Luis Valley, not many people.

Colorado Springs is in El Paso County, only about 45 minutes drive south of Denver.