Zoe: My man would never fall for that. Wash: Most of my head wishes I had.

'Our Mrs. Reynolds'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2008 7:18:32 pm PST #9640 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think me doing it would be. I have youth issues.


DavidS - Nov 05, 2008 7:19:09 pm PST #9641 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I have youth issues.

What? Are you pro-Septugenarian?


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2008 7:20:12 pm PST #9642 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Hell, half the time I consider the ER a moral failing. Botox is nothing compared to that.


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 7:21:26 pm PST #9643 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

To me, the distasteful thing is the notion that any given group of women in their mid-30s (esp. those who have known each other since high school or earlier) will be so hideously disfigured by age that they will benefit from cosmetic surgery pitches. A personal choice, medicinal treatment -- these are quite different from the peer pressure-enhanced feelings of inadequacy that I think are behind this botox party. But maybe I'm just a hippie or something.


Hayden - Nov 05, 2008 7:22:37 pm PST #9644 of 10001
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Ah, Lambert's. That takes me back.


DavidS - Nov 05, 2008 7:25:50 pm PST #9645 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Hell, half the time I consider the ER a moral failing.

Is it a moral failing or a failure of character?

I mean, did you do something wrong, or are you just not toughing it out enough?

ION, I didn't realize how close I was in age to Obama. I knew we were about the same age, but we're about five weeks apart. To throw a weird perspective on this, some other famous people born during the summer of 1961 were Princess Di, Michael J. Fox, Boy George, Carl Lewis, Lawrence Fishburne, the Edge (U2), Billy Ray Cyrus and Ricky Gervais.

eta: George Clooney was born May of 1961. Huh. Hemingway committed suicide four days after I was born.

More huh. I'm coeval with Marvel:

November - The Fantastic Four #1 debuts, launching the Marvel Universe and revolutionizing the American comic book industry.

And Catch-22:

November 10 - Catch-22 is first published by Joseph Heller.

And the Vietnam War and the Ken Doll:

December 11 - The Vietnam War officially begins, as the first American helicopters arrive in Saigon along with 400 U.S. personnel.


ChiKat - Nov 05, 2008 7:26:11 pm PST #9646 of 10001
That man was going to shank me. Over an omelette. Two eggs and a slice of government cheese. Is that what my life is worth?

I was born in Alabama, but moved away when I was not quite 3. Spent several weeks there every summer visiting grandparents. Then, ended up going to grad school in Tuscaloosa.

My extended family still all lives there. Have for generations. My immediate family mostly lives in the Memphis area.

Me? I'll never live back down there. While the racism stuff bugs me to no end, I've seen racism just as bad in and around Chicago. For me, it's just the general conservative social views and extreme religious hyprocrisy that makes it untenable.


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2008 7:26:19 pm PST #9647 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Are you pro-Septugenarian?

I'm pro looking my age (whatever hand genetics dealt). When that's 70, 70 it is. The idea of losing my expressiveness in the pursuit of looking younger? Not for me. I was almost torn about doing it to stop the pain. And by almost I mean that I'm desperate to lose the pain, and will do what it takes. But I still might regret what it takes, even as I do it.


§ ita § - Nov 05, 2008 7:27:09 pm PST #9648 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I mean, did you do something wrong, or are you just not toughing it out enough?

Failure of character, I guess. But there's a whiff of it not being right.


DavidS - Nov 05, 2008 7:30:53 pm PST #9649 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Failure of character, I guess. But there's a whiff of it not being right.

Yeah, well, even grit gets washed away under a steady flow. Your river's been over its banks for a long time now.