DH just made a good point - neither one of us quibble that McCains experience spans decades. Why were so many of his examples from the 80s?
And Obama showed more of a grasp on foreign policy than Bush. IMHO.
Buffy! If I wanted to fight, you could tell by the being dead already.
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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
hippocampus - Sep 26, 2008 6:02:04 pm PDT #946 of 10001
not your mom's socks.
tommyrot - Sep 26, 2008 6:03:33 pm PDT #947 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
CNN says Obama won big. An CBS scientific (phone) poll of undecideds had Obama winning 40 to 22.
Barb - Sep 26, 2008 6:07:20 pm PDT #948 of 10001
“Not dead yet!”
I considered watching the debates but just couldn't handle it. Watched Across the Universe instead. Equally surreal but with much better music.
Calli - Sep 26, 2008 6:08:06 pm PDT #949 of 10001
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs
I think the Republican attempt to paint Obama as young and inexperienced may have set up some lowered expectations for him. The way the GOP was talking about Obama pre-Palin, you would think he couldn't talk about Russia because he wasn't in office during the cold war. Clearly that wasn't the case.
brenda m - Sep 26, 2008 6:08:15 pm PDT #950 of 10001
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there
Okay, thank you Olbermann for pointing this out - McCain stating that he will make sure the US never tortures a prisoner again. The Pakistan was a failed state and we all know it thing - not to mention getting the President's name wrong - is probably worse, but much less likely to be picked up on.
SuziQ - Sep 26, 2008 6:09:58 pm PDT #951 of 10001
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame
Watched Across the Universe instead.
Nice. I wish my disc hadn't gone walk-about. Ended up watching the debate with half attention. I kept wanting Obama to hit back at the "judgement" accusations with "do you think choosing Palin showed good judgement?"
Typo Boy - Sep 26, 2008 7:06:59 pm PDT #952 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.
Very happy to proven wrong. Maybe the sneering and contempt were over the top enough to turn people off? Anyway, if this holds up - great.
billytea - Sep 26, 2008 7:14:57 pm PDT #953 of 10001
You were a wrong baby who grew up wrong. The wrong kind of wrong. It's better you hear it from a friend.
Very happy to proven wrong. Maybe the sneering and contempt were over the top enough to turn people off? Anyway, if this holds up - great.
My reading of the audience reaction is that they were most negative when McCain was talking about the things he'd done and the people he'd talked to way back when. Either they didn't appreciate the name-dropping, or Obama's made ground painting McCain as the past, not the future.
msbelle - Sep 26, 2008 8:03:48 pm PDT #954 of 10001
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb
one fact-checking piece: [link]
and this appears to have been a real-time fact-check going on during and just after the debate: [link]
Burrell - Sep 26, 2008 8:17:02 pm PDT #955 of 10001
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!
My take on the debate was that they both held their own. Obama had the better start, McCain took over in the second half. One thing my MiL pointed out was that Obama laughing at McCain's insults reminded her of watching the Kennedy/Nixon debate because it demonstrated that Obama was alert to the rudeness but his reaction made him look charming rather than provoked. I found her analysis there rather interesting.
I thought the debate was a draw.
I think the Republican attempt to paint Obama as young and inexperienced may have set up some lowered expectations for him.
heh, could be. Of course, given how low the bar has been set for Palin, as long as she doesn't start speaking in tongues during her debate it'll be considered a win.