You never know if a girl's gonna say 'yes', or if she's gonna laugh in your face and pull out your still-beating heart and crush it into the ground with her heel.

Xander ,'Help'


Natter 61*  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Connie Neil - Nov 05, 2008 6:15:17 am PST #9414 of 10001
brillig

the Mormon church pouring so much money into the Yes on 8 campaign

Do not underestimate how much the Mormon church loathes gays. They have a lot of money and they have a practiced organizational structure and a lot of sheep-brains who believe anything that comes out of the Office of the Presidency is the unadulterated truth. Disagreement is not just disagreement, but a near occasion to sin. There were a lot of Mormons actively protesting the church's involvement in Prop 8, as well as the existence of Prop 8 at all, and there is going to be religious backlash for those people. Arguments over church doctrine have cost people their jobs and their membership in a church they'd like to believe in.

The difference that such people see between being gay and being black is that being black is a passive but very noticeable thing, if you go simply by color of skin and not by attendent culture and history. Being gay, on the other hand, is something that a lot of people honestly believe is purely a matter of action. Even if the tendency is inborn/determined by God, the belief is that the action should be controlled by "decent" folks and shouldn't be catered to by laws.

If the Mormon church had a bigger presence back east, New England wouldn't have the gay marriage laws they do. California has a huge Mormon population, and until/unless the church's influence fades, gay marriage in California has a hard road ahead.


-t - Nov 05, 2008 6:20:11 am PST #9415 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Comcast, at least my local Comcast, actually aired the Indecision special live at 7 PST, though it wasn't listed correctly on any schedules I could find. I happened to switch over just in case, and there it was.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 05, 2008 6:25:15 am PST #9416 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Heh. This is pretty funny. From a forthcoming Newsweek by way of Huffington Post:

-- The debates unnerved both candidates. When he was preparing for the Democratic primary debates, Obama was recorded saying, "I don't consider this to be a good format for me, which makes me more cautious. I often find myself trapped by the questions and thinking to myself, 'You know, this is a stupid question, but let me ... answer it.' So when Brian Williams is asking me about what's a personal thing that you've done [that's green], and I say, you know, 'Well, I planted a bunch of trees.' And he says, 'I'm talking about personal.' What I'm thinking in my head is, 'Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house. It's because of something collective'."


Jessica - Nov 05, 2008 6:29:32 am PST #9417 of 10001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Well, the truth is, Brian, we can't solve global warming because I f---ing changed light bulbs in my house.

I would pay cash money to see any candidate* say that on television. Seriously.

*Or President-Elect! YAAAAAAAAAY!!!!!


beekaytee - Nov 05, 2008 6:31:22 am PST #9418 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

The Gwynnie look is an interesting 'concept' best kept on the catwalk. Not so much in real life. It's got great geometry but terrible execution.


flea - Nov 05, 2008 6:32:41 am PST #9419 of 10001
information libertarian

I have so much to do this week and I cannot seem to get started. Stoopid elections.


sumi - Nov 05, 2008 6:37:39 am PST #9420 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Huff Post slide show of newspaper front pages.


Frankenbuddha - Nov 05, 2008 6:38:51 am PST #9421 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Is anyone else more than a little inordinately pleased that, while not having enough Senate wins to make it fillibuster-proof (and, man, would I have liked Mitch McConnell and Saxby Chambliss to have lost), we do have enough votes to tell Droopy Lieberman to piss off?


Stephanie - Nov 05, 2008 6:41:57 am PST #9422 of 10001
Trust my rage

I feel like an actual cloud has lifted. It's weird; no one seems to care about the election very much here but I feel actually bouncy today.


megan walker - Nov 05, 2008 6:47:16 am PST #9423 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I'm extremely disappointed by Prop 8 results, although, frankly, I really didn't think the "No on 8" campaign was very effective, so I can't say I'm surprised, especially given the money involved.