I like the way the walls go out. Gives you an open feeling. Firefly is a good design. People don't appreciate the substance of things. Objects in space. People miss out on what's solid.

Early ,'Objects In Space'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sarameg - Oct 30, 2008 7:42:27 am PDT #7429 of 10001

Probably had to show your deed/claim thing.


Hil R. - Oct 30, 2008 7:43:32 am PDT #7430 of 10001
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

Yeah, the years I was 18 and 19, I was eligible to vote, but didn't make any money that I paid taxes on. Plus, with college students, some vote in the state where the college is, and some vote in the state where their parents live, and either one is legal. As long as you only vote in one or the other, not both, of course.

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sarameg - Oct 30, 2008 7:47:23 am PDT #7431 of 10001

When I registered to vote in NC, my drivers license was from NM, my car was registered in NC and my mailing address was a private post office box not run by the USPS that I lost every summer. It occurs to me that this might so not work in some states these days...


Sue - Oct 30, 2008 7:47:36 am PDT #7432 of 10001
hip deep in pie

The baseline answer to this is that the federal gov't doesn't organize the elections, the states do.

Ah, it's a state-federal thing.

The taxes thing was just an example. Election rolls are done by the Gov't in Canada, and they do ask to use you personal information from your tax return to populate elections rolls, but they also do go door to door adding people to the list. (though not as often as they used to.) It's added expense for the gov't, and certainly not foolproof (when I was in university, they enumerated everyone in residence, even Americans), but it mostly takes partisanship out of the equation.


beekaytee - Oct 30, 2008 7:47:50 am PDT #7433 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

The fact that our election process is not nationalized is one of the greatest pains in my intellectual life. That and the continuing existence of the electoral college.

If we are so pro-democracy that we'll spend our children's futures into the ground to fight wars for it (apply liberal sarcasm here...pun intended), why can't we agree on consistent voting processes? It just makes no sense.

I'm going to vote tomorrow...taking a war 'n peace sized stack of reading materials. I don't care how long it takes.


Gudanov - Oct 30, 2008 7:49:24 am PDT #7434 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Also, we have no national identity card, which would probably solve a number problems like this. Still don't get that.

There's a lot of paranoia about that, around here I hear objections to that based on 2nd amendment issues and religion. I think it's odd as well since everyone already has a SSN.


Gudanov - Oct 30, 2008 7:51:05 am PDT #7435 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

It's added expense for the gov't, and certainly not foolproof (when I was in university, they enumerated everyone in residence, even Americans), but it mostly takes partisanship out of the equation.

There are efforts to make voter registration easier, but they tend to be very politicized and partisan as well.


Sue - Oct 30, 2008 7:54:00 am PDT #7436 of 10001
hip deep in pie

Huh, Wikipedia says that haven't done door to door enumeration in Canada since 1992, but I'm sure that I've been enumerated in the past 10 years.


Gudanov - Oct 30, 2008 7:54:17 am PDT #7437 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

I don't know if it is just me, but it seems like there has been a lot more effort to make people ineligible to vote ever since the 2000 election.


Trudy Booth - Oct 30, 2008 7:54:55 am PDT #7438 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

There's a lot of paranoia about that, around here I hear objections to that based on 2nd amendment issues and religion. I think it's odd as well since everyone already has a SSN.

As I understand it, the SSN was never supposed to be used for identification. There were fears of just such a thing and reassurances that this would NOT be the case.

Um...