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tommyrot - Oct 16, 2008 8:33:51 am PDT #4939 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Interesting Greenwald interview with Scott Horton about the neo-cons' role (especially Bill Kristol's) in the Sarah Palin pick, and how that's led to infighting between Kristol and the McCain campaign: [link] (scroll down a bit)

Sorry this is a bit long; if you don't care about Palin's connection to the neo-cons, I suggest you skip this....

SH: I'd say, of course the McCain campaign isn't doing too well right now, and one of the consequences of that is we've got a lot of finger-pointing going on within the camp, and I'd say there's a pretty broad agreement amongst a number of the senior-most advisors to McCain that the Palin pick is worse than disappointing. It's a total disaster, as one describes to me. And there is a sort of blame game going on there.

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SH: And the interesting thing is of course, if we look across the whole horizon of conservative columnists, prominent conservative columnists, pretty much all of them are expressing reservations or concern or they're outright opposing Palin as a pick, with one really striking exception, and that's Bill Kristol. And Bill Kristol, in none of his columns has acknowledged that he in a sense is the author of Sarah Palin. He discovered her, he promoted her, and he pushed her through to the vice-presidential nomination.

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Glenn Greenwald: What do you think the appeal is that at least Bill Kristol in this sort of Weekly Standard circle sees in Palin, why do they like her more than anyone else at this point?

SH: Well, I can tell you what I'm told was advanced as reasons for her: that she had very close ties to the religious right, so she would mobilize and motivate them. That she was essentially a blank book - she really didn't have attitudes about much of anything, so she was someone they could take and they could furnish the copy for, they could provide the content, but then a third and major point they made was, well, look, she's from a little tiny town in Alaska in the middle of absolutely nowhere, nobody knows anything about her, and people are unlikely to discover a lot about her because of this remoteness aspect, and that's a big plus. I think that last point really turns out to be a fatal miscalculation, because of course you have had taken some time to dig in and get information, but what's come out has been devastating.

GG: It's bizarre, you can really see the evolution from when she first arrived on the national stage with no history of opining on things like foreign policy, or much of anything beyond her provincial range of concerns in Alaska, to just absolutely reciting with blind and absolute loyalty, the entire neo-con right-wing line on virtually everything, from proclaiming her deep and abiding love of Israel, and talking about the flag she waves in her office, to every form of belligerence and aggressive militarism that they've been advocating, and that is the centerpiece of their political agenda. It's almost like they took a tape and put it in her back and wound her up and there she goes.

SH: That's right. They even do a very careful job of editing it, because they gave her material that is contrary to the positions taken by Senator McCain on several issues.

GG: Right. Right, it's amazing - she is almost reciting the script from 2002, 2003; it's like they had an old tape lying around and put that in her, and that's what she's mouthing.

SH: Right. And if you look just in the news cycle from the last 48 hours, I would say the anger and irritation between a number of the senior people in the McCain camp and Bill Kristol is become really acute. I mean, it's flashed and Kristol again, saying basically that the entire campaign team should be fired, and they respond in kind criticizing him, saying he was mouthing Obama talking points, and so on. What is the touchiness that underlies all of that? They view this man as the guy who gave them this albatross, Sarah Palin. I think there's a lot of real anger about it. There's also recognition that it's too (continued...)


tommyrot - Oct 16, 2008 8:34:00 am PDT #4940 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

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late to do anything. They can't replace her, they can't drop her, they're stuck with her right now. And there's also some suspicion, as one of the McCain advisors raises with me yesterday, there's some suspicion that they had dumped McCain, that basically they're now just proceeding to develop Palin as their candidate, as somebody they want to bring up in 2012, as the neo-con favored Republican. And I think that really has some of the McCain old school advisors bristling right now.


lisah - Oct 16, 2008 8:48:45 am PDT #4941 of 10001
Punishingly Intricate

sheesh

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Connie Neil - Oct 16, 2008 8:51:40 am PDT #4942 of 10001
brillig

I DONT UNDERSTAND.

"Every sperm is sacred, every sperm is great. When a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate."


tommyrot - Oct 16, 2008 8:52:31 am PDT #4943 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

This cracked me up - Joe Klein:

Ronald Reagan used to say that the most frightening nine words in the English language were "I'm from the government and I'm here to help." That is no longer true. This year, the most frightening eight words are "I'm John McCain and I approved this message."

You Say that Like It's a Bad Thing


Gudanov - Oct 16, 2008 8:52:42 am PDT #4944 of 10001
Coding and Sleeping

Amendment 48 in Colorado is a controversial ballot measure that would make the term "person" "include any human being from the moment of fertilization", with all the constitutional rights that confers.

I'm with Allyson, that's insane. Should sex only be allowed in very controlled circumstances to make implantation as likely as possible? If not, you are putting the lives of people at risk.

Speaking of the issue, I was very annoyed with Palin when she was asked about abortion by Katie Couric and didn't want to be pinned down as wanting to make abortion illegal. I mean c'mon, just say it.

The supreme court justice thing in the debate was, I thought, a real mess for McCain. He's not going to apply a litmus test for justices, but any justice you doesn't pass the test is unqualified. He also said he approved Ginsberg because she was qualified, but according to his own statement later, she is unqualified.


Kat - Oct 16, 2008 8:59:33 am PDT #4945 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

So, last night we were having a conversation about conservatives and the republican party.

I don't get it.

I don't get how the current incarnation of the Republican party could possibly be thought of as conservative.

From legislating when life begins to where prayer should occur to funding a fucked up war that is not working to wanting to be interventionist around the world to nationalizing banks.... it's all about MORE government.

I'd love for conservatives to take BACK their party, because the current Republican party is not quite the bastion of conservatism.


Aims - Oct 16, 2008 9:01:02 am PDT #4946 of 10001
Shit's all sorts of different now.

If, God Forbid, McCain/Palin get elected to the White House, I'ma start hadning out copies of The Handmaid's Tale as a primer on the New American Life.


amych - Oct 16, 2008 9:03:33 am PDT #4947 of 10001
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Joe the Plumber not actually licensed to practice plumbing. (Also, a tax cheat, a fairly hardcore wingnut rather than the undecided voter he was first said to be, and some say a GOP plant. But the "not a real plumber" part somehow amuses me the most.)


Trudy Booth - Oct 16, 2008 9:03:42 am PDT #4948 of 10001
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

The airquotes thing set off white hot rage I haven't felt in a long time.

I've decided to just throw in quotes ANY time he mentions health.

That would make a great Obama commercial. The McCain "Health" Plan, McCain's concern for the "health" of our economy...