I think the average person is just saying, "fine, I won't borrow any money." Not realizing the importance of commercial paper and the short term loans that drive small and medium businesses and give them the wherewithal to you, you know, operate.

I didn't love the bill but I could see the pragmatism behind voting for it.

Now, I guess it's a matter of regrouping and seeing how bad things actually get before they try another resuscitation attempt.

I know that banks within the US are basically not lending money to each other, and it has been getting worse for months, not weeks on that count. Europe has been a source for money, but that is seizing up now as well.

From above, the whole "It's a Wonderful Life" syndrome is already happening: Wamu article: [link]

Wachovia blog posts: [link]

I know that banks within the US are basically not lending money to each other, and it has been getting worse for months

The inter-bank (or whatever they call it) interest rate actually went UP today.

The argument I was given was that the market needed to correct itself more. The big risk-takers needed some repercussions and a bailout would only encourage an environment of irresponsible lending/investing becuase it would all get covered in the end anyway.

Hmm. To my untrained ear that sounds like we are heading into a Depression/Recession/whatever we decide to call it no matter what. Of course, I also keep worrying about what happens when/if $700 billion brand new dollars flood the economy. Doesn't that make inflation go up? Nobody is mentioning inflation, but I keep worrying about it. But what do I know? Damn right now I wish I had studied economics instead of literature.

But I'm thinking the problem is that there is so much money in the mortgage backed securities that nobody wants that the credit market is frozen, and businesses won't be able to borrow money. At some point that means individuals won't be able to borrow money and the economy will perhaps seize up.

As I understand it, the most immediate danger is to businesses such as car dealers that operate on short-term loans. Car dealers buy inventory with short-term loans and then pay them back when the cars are sold. Right now, they can't get loans. The world's largest Chevy retailer, headquartered in Georgia, just went under, taking 2,700 jobs with it. Experts are saying it was a combination of risky car loans, gas prices and the inability to get loans.

my genius plan is for the US markets to shut down for 3 days while Congress gets itself together on a new plan. No one will make money, but no one will lose either. Banks all closed for holiday. Genius simple plan.

lalalalalala - can't hear all the people telling me why this won't work.

But I'm thinking the problem is that there is so much money in the mortgage backed securities that nobody wants that the credit market is frozen, and businesses won't be able to borrow money. At some point that means individuals won't be able to borrow money and the economy will perhaps seize up.

Not only that, the Mets missed going to the playoffs on the last day of the season, AGAIN. Stupid Mets.

I think the general consensus is that a very severe recession is unavoidable. What they're trying to avoid is a complete collapse.

Not only that, the Mets missed going to the playoffs on the last day of the season, AGAIN. Stupid Mets.

Note to Omar: Dude. Last year anybody could have told you that you didn't have enough pitching. But no, you expected septugenarians like Glavine and Pedro to take the hill all season long. This year, everybody in the country knew that your bullpen was shite and needed an upgrade. Fuck, dude, you could've had an innings eater like Joe Blanton for Lastings Milledge. But did you get more pitching aside fromm Santana? No. You fail at GM.

Not only that, the Mets missed going to the playoffs on the last day of the season, AGAIN. Stupid Mets.

The Royals have a chance to not be the worst team in their division this year. Go White Sox. Even if the Tigers win, they will be tied for worst team instead of just being the worst team!