Jayne: That's a good idea. Good idea. Tell us where the stuff's at so I can shoot you. Mal: Point of interest? Offering to shoot us might not work so well as an incentive as you might imagine.

'Out Of Gas'


Spike's Bitches 42: Which question do you want me to answer first?  

[NAFDA] Spike-centric discussion. Lusty, lewd (only occasionally crude), risqué (and frisqué), bawdy (Oh, lawdy!), flirty ('cuz we're purty), raunchy talk inside. Caveat lector.


Dana - Sep 29, 2008 2:28:12 pm PDT #6964 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Yes, a comma splice is bad. It's using a comma to separate two complete sentences, rather than a period.

This is a comma splice, it is bad.

This is not a comma splice. Note the period. (Or the semi-colon.)


Connie Neil - Sep 29, 2008 2:47:51 pm PDT #6965 of 10001
brillig

I marked that. I suspect I'll be referring to it as a reminder.


DavidS - Sep 29, 2008 2:50:17 pm PDT #6966 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

It's pretty simple, Connie. An independent clause is something which can stand alone as a complete sentence. If you have two independent clauses, then you use a semi-colon, or break them into two sentences. That's really all you need to remember.


Connie Neil - Sep 29, 2008 3:03:20 pm PDT #6967 of 10001
brillig

Good lord, I actually felt a shudder at the words "independent clause." My English grades were always fun in school. "Why on earth do you have a D--oh, is that the week they did grammar?"

If I ever went on "Are you Smarter than a 5th Grader," I'd definitely save a cheat for the grammar question.

What is the difference between transitive and intransitive anyway?


Fay - Sep 29, 2008 3:08:15 pm PDT #6968 of 10001
"Fuck Western ideologically-motivated gender identification!" Sulu gasped, and came.

Jilli, I just read your latest column and I'm just infuriated with the school authorities for targeting goth kids in this manner. (Particularly the boy who's been forced to stop dressing like a Victorian. I mean, what possible leg do these people have to stand on? (Beyond "you should be sheep! We want you to be identical sheep! It makes us nervous when you aren't!")

As an educator, one of the things we're actively encouraging (at least at primary level!) is that people become independent thinkers, and that they have the courage to take risks and to be creative. Forcing people to merge into the crowd seems like the very antithesis of good teaching!


Pix - Sep 29, 2008 3:08:25 pm PDT #6969 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.

Heh. I spent an entire lesson teaching independent and dependent clauses, comma splice errors, and semicolon usage last week. Hec is correct; it's really pretty simple once you understand the premise.

Here are some examples (please ignore if they aren't helpful).

Hec really enjoys baseball, he coaches Little League. (This is an example of a comma splice error; two independent clauses joined with a comma only--the comma alone isn't strong enough. You either need a coordinating conjunction to go with the comma [see below] or a semicolon. Think of the comma as a splice that won't hold the ragged ends of a bone together. Nothing like a little visual gore to help us remember!)

Btw, a good way to remember all the coordinating conjunctions is "FANBOYS": For, And, Nor, But, Or, Yet, So.

Hec really enjoys baseball;he coaches Little League. (This is an example of two independent clauses joined by a semicolon)

Hec really enjoys baseball; therefore, he coaches Little League. (This is another example of two independent clauses joined by a semicolon.)

Hec really enjoys baseball, so he coaches Little League. (This is an example of two independent clauses joined by a comma and a coordinating conjunction.)

Hec coaches Little League because he really enjoys baseball. (This is an example of an independent clause [Hec coaches Little League] and a dependent clause [because he really enjoys baseball].

Basically, set aside any coordinating conjunctions and figure out if the clause can stand on its own (independent) or not (dependent).


JZ - Sep 29, 2008 3:09:18 pm PDT #6970 of 10001
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

A clause is a chunk of words that sits on its own, fenced in by a bit of punctuation.

It can be a short sentence.

Or, sometimes, it can be a single word, or something a bit longer.

Sometimes it's fenced in by a punctuation mark and it's got a noun verbing something; since all you need to make a sentence is a noun and a verb, any chunk of words that's got both is independent, a whole sentence all on its own, full of spark and spunk and go-to pioneer spirit, and anything on the other side of that punctuation mark can go to hell, or go hide behind a semicolon or something.

See? Crystal clear!

Or not. Thank God I'm not a teacher.


Gadget_Girl - Sep 29, 2008 3:09:24 pm PDT #6971 of 10001
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

Fay, keep up the stories about your students. They are wonderful!

Today my "baby dyke diver" came into my room in tears. She just felt like it was hard being gay and could I help her make it stop. In the end she also talked to another one of my students and told her she is gay. My other student gave BDD a hug and said, "So. That doesn't change anything about you. You are one of my best friends and nothing will change that. We'll still have lunch one day so I can approve of your partner."

They had a 15 min 'confessional' in my office. My other students admitted she has an eating disorder and her mom is verbally abusive. BDD talked about a girl she had a crush on who led her on and then dropped her for a guy. She is also scared her parents will disown her if/when she finally tells them.

Then, they both wanted to know if Hub and I will be their "adoped parents forever". Teenagers...gotta love them


Gadget_Girl - Sep 29, 2008 3:11:54 pm PDT #6972 of 10001
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

Connie, would it help you if I sent you a grammar workbook? I've got a few extra that I know can go 'missing'.


Dana - Sep 29, 2008 3:12:28 pm PDT #6973 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

What is the difference between transitive and intransitive anyway?

Transitive verbs take an object. "I kicked the ball." Ball is the object of kicked.

Intransitive verbs don't. "I slept until noon." The verb sleep has no object.