Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass.

Cordelia ,'Dirty Girls'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


sumi - Sep 02, 2008 5:56:27 am PDT #6600 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!

McCain preferred to vet AFTER choosing.


Trudy Booth - Sep 02, 2008 5:56:38 am PDT #6601 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Or that Maverick McCain wanted everyone chattering about inane crap instead of actual policy.


SuziQ - Sep 02, 2008 5:57:22 am PDT #6602 of 10003
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

There was the theory that she would decline during the convention and then ANYONE who gets picked after would look fantastic by comparison.


Tom Scola - Sep 02, 2008 5:57:38 am PDT #6603 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

Seriously? I mean, you're running for president, you've hired assloads of handlers and such. And this happened? Seriously?

McCain wrapped up the nomination in February. He's had six months to make his decision.

And the McCain/Palin campaign has yet to comment about Palin's ties to the Alaskan Independence Party.

The McCain campaign has been hitting Obama about his lack of experience, and has also been making insinuations about his patriotism. And this is his choice to be VP?


Jessica - Sep 02, 2008 5:58:26 am PDT #6604 of 10003
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The McCain campaign has been hitting Obama about his lack of experience, and has also been making insinuations about his patriotism. And this is his choice to be VP?

Maybe he secretly wants to lose.


amych - Sep 02, 2008 5:59:38 am PDT #6605 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Mavericks make snap decisions, often when they're angry.

Mavericks pull last-minute choices out of their asses when the hoop-de-hoodles threaten a floor fight over their preferred choices:

As word leaked out that Mr. McCain was seriously considering the men, the campaign was bombarded by outrage from influential conservatives who predicted an explosive floor fight at the convention and vowed rejection of Mr. Ridge or Mr. Lieberman by the delegates. >[link]


Tom Scola - Sep 02, 2008 6:02:44 am PDT #6606 of 10003
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

He's also hired the very person who slandered his family during the 2000 election.


Trudy Booth - Sep 02, 2008 6:07:28 am PDT #6607 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Might as well get the best?


Steph L. - Sep 02, 2008 6:10:29 am PDT #6608 of 10003
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I just don't get how a large political campaign with an army of supposedly savvy PR people all got together and said, "Hey, let's hire the pretty lady with the intelligent design and the stupid!"

Seriously? I mean, you're running for president, you've hired assloads of handlers and such. And this happened? Seriously?

Or that Maverick McCain wanted everyone chattering about inane crap instead of actual policy.

There's the inane-crap chatter angle, which is valid. Also, *if* McCain knew about Bristol's pregnancy before he picked Palin, he probably thought that they could use the "SEE? NO ABORTION FOR US NO WAY NO HOW!!!" angle. And it sounds like some Republicans are echoing that.

Mostly -- and I do think this was a consideration by McCain -- Palin's inexperience works for the campaign. [NOTE: I did *not* say it works for her qualifications as a VP.] Here's why.

When McCain picked Palin, Obama immediately said that the issue of inexperience was now "off the table." Fine. However, there are a lot of people raising the (IMO) valid concern that because McCain is older than dirt and has had cancer 4 times, he might kick off while in office, and does the Republican party really want Palin to be POTUS should that happen? Because she is far more inexperienced than Obama is.

That's a valid concern, IMO.

But in order for the Democrats (not necessarily official Obama statements) to address the fact that a grossly inexperienced politician would be a heartbeat away from being POTUS in a situation where McCain kicking off is plausible, then they have to be willing to accept Republican attacks on Obama's perceived inexperience.

(Does that make sense?)

It's actually, when I stop to think about it, really fucking devious and clever.


Sparky1 - Sep 02, 2008 6:22:22 am PDT #6609 of 10003
Librarian Warlord

But in order for the Democrats (not necessarily official Obama statements) to address the fact that a grossly inexperienced politician would be a heartbeat away from being POTUS in a situation where McCain kicking off is plausible, then they have to be willing to accept Republican attacks on Obama's perceived inexperience.

Which is why the Obama camp has to frame this as criticizing inexperience because she tries to substitute being morally upright for having the chops to study/make policy decisions.