Funny thing about black and white. You mix it together and you get gray. And it doesn't matter how much white you try and put back in, you're never gonna get anything but gray.

Lilah ,'Destiny'


Natter 60: Gone In 60 Seconds  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Aug 18, 2008 8:08:15 am PDT #3952 of 10003
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

we BOTH read it before giving it!

Heh. That's like the Christmas my sister and I exchanged charity goats.

I don't mind being asked, though I've never asked anyone. Sometimes I wish I had, because I'm convinced I suck at gift-giving, but I'm self conscious about it because I can never keep track of who hates it.


Liese S. - Aug 18, 2008 8:08:28 am PDT #3953 of 10003
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

It's the one-year anniversary of Vampire People.

Wow! Really? That's great. I think we're some famouser...we got our own little crop of Vampire People posters.


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 8:13:19 am PDT #3954 of 10003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

And a follow-up question for the people who don't like being asked what they want for a present: how do you feel about monetary gifts?


sumi - Aug 18, 2008 8:14:22 am PDT #3955 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!

I can't believe it's been a year!


amych - Aug 18, 2008 8:16:04 am PDT #3956 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I think that expecting the person to figure it out can create a lot of stress and pressure, and implies that if you *can't* figure it out, you aren't really a good friend/don't REALLY love your spouse/etc.

I do get that, but at the same time I really don't want anything, and I tell them so. Or I tell people who push it to take me out to dinner sometime, or come hang out, or otherwise spend time. And failing that, "oh, any old thing". I feel fairly self-conscious at people giving me things at all, and positively horrified at the thought that they did so because they feel like they're obligated to.

When I say "it feels like a shopping list" I don't mean "they're making me do the work". I mean "I feel like I'm using them like a servant". And I've learned to be pretty point blank about saying that if I say I don't want anything, I'm not playing the coy "you have to guess the perfect thing" game.

If someone wants to, spontaneously, because it's Tuesday? Awesome. I love to do that too, and I have huge gratitude for people who do it. But Christmas and birthdays and especially Valentines and anniversaries and such, I have Teh Issues about anyone getting me anything because some rule outside of our relationship says they're supposed to, so they must not really want to.


Steph L. - Aug 18, 2008 8:20:16 am PDT #3957 of 10003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

but at the same time I really don't want anything, and I tell them so.

To be fair, I wasn't talking about people like you. I didn't mean people who truly don't want anything and aren't just playing a mindfuck.

I meant people who dislike being asked what they want, because that means the other person doesn't know you well enough to find a gift that suits you to a T and captures the essence of your relationship and commemorates whatever holiday it also happens to be.

Seriously, there's a reason Amazon has wish lists.


Shir - Aug 18, 2008 8:21:30 am PDT #3958 of 10003
"And that's why God Almighty gave us fire insurance and the public defender".

for the people who don't want to be asked what you want as a gift, how do you respond when someone asks you what you want?

I tell them the first thing comes to mind. I want a lot of things, it's fairly easy.

But I'm being about this subject not only because I have so to speak rules about it. I mean, one day or another I get the stuff I want, if I'll still want them by then.

It's the people's company that I cherish and want most of all. Not the presents. That's a minor.


aurelia - Aug 18, 2008 8:22:14 am PDT #3959 of 10003
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

how do you feel about monetary gifts?

That's what my parents do. It's cool, but I can't get away with doing the same in return and they are hard to shop for.


amych - Aug 18, 2008 8:22:29 am PDT #3960 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

Gotcha, Tep. Since I'd just answered in that vein, I kinda kept on going. My issues, let me show you them!

I think we're in agreement that Mindfuckery? Bad.


lisah - Aug 18, 2008 8:23:26 am PDT #3961 of 10003
Punishingly Intricate

And a follow-up question for the people who don't like being asked what they want for a present: how do you feel about monetary gifts?

My parents will sometimes give me money that's designated for a present and I'm grateful for it, for sure! but also I end up feeling like I should spend it on something practical. Like the mortgage.

I'm really grateful for any present!