One of the things that I have seen with both myself and my friends who are college educated (in the liberal arts, not in specific trades/professions) but were on the lower end of the class scale, is we had no idea what kind of jobs to get just out of college, since we weren't "teachers" or "nurses" or "accountants". And we didn't have parents who understood what a liberal arts education was or what an "entry-level" position which would lead to promotion was or who knew how to help us get one. So we (I) just basically applied for clerical jobs, which is what I still am, even though I have risen quite high in the staff category at a university. Almost everyone else I know who was in the same situation as I went back to school to become a teacher, nurse, or speech therapist. Also, I thought I was going to work full-time in theatre and was just taking jobs until I could fulfill that dream, but for 5 years in my mid twenties I was a college educated sales-clerk at JC Penney because I didn't know how to get another kind of job.

[Edit: Jesse, maybe you should put that college kid under the care of those annoying people from work, and let them annoy each other?]

Ooh, now that's a plan.

I'm going to stick my neck out and say the British have more of a rigid class system in place than the US.

I don't think you're taking much of a risk here. But the chances of breaking through from upper middle class into the US to the upper class--not that big. Mobility only gets you so far.

if your daughter is marrying an investment banker who grew up poor but makes bank and has the right manners it probably isn't that much of an issue with anyone but Bunny McDougal.

I can do no more than shrug at that. I honestly have no idea.

More useful to whom?

As a sociological class that identifies common traits. "Middle class" is too broad and ill-defined to mean anything in particular.

Is this the end?

Are you...my friend?

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Question for Nilly (possibly stupid, but I'm curious) - when you use a computer in Hebrew, is it in Hebrew characters or in transliterated English/Roman characters?

Firefly, ice cream,
humor, seventeen love, joy--
Nilly is awesome.

Oooh, Jesse's slutting for 10,000.

To her credit, the person who ran the ad for the family nanny does spell out just how little time off the person they hire would have and says that the person would be the nanny (or, really, assistant) to the whole family. It's not like somebody answering that ad could claim to be surprised by the work.

Oooh, Jesse's slutting for 10,000.

I resent your implication, sir.