Two by two, hands of blue. Two by two, hands of blue.

River ,'Ariel'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jul 28, 2008 9:52:42 am PDT #9947 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

My Mother's side of the family were largely clergy and teachers -- so educated and with a certain status but no money to speak of.

My Father's side were farmers (maternal) and upper class (paternal) who lost their cash (twice, actually -- American branch of the family in '29, Cuban branch in '59).

I grew up financially lower class but socially middle class. In some ways it gives me perspective, in others I never quite fit in.

I think the material in the original article is most useful for people with no sense of any life experience but their own or people with a very narrow and firm defintion of "normal".


Typo Boy - Jul 28, 2008 9:54:32 am PDT #9948 of 10003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

And obviously I thought it was worth mentioning to make explicit to avoid any (I'm sure) unintentional implication on your part that Arabperson. That may be more important in he U.S. than in Israel - cause anti-Palestinian rhetoric that I'm pretty sure is seen as extremist in Israeli politics is seen conservative pro-Israeli here, and advocating for policies that are (for example) part of the standard Labor Party platform in Israel gets dismissed as anti-Semetic here. So I think it important not to say things that imply that non-Jews are not people, even if that is not the intent. Cause the idea that Palestinians are not people or are less worthy people or whatever is pretty damn common in the U.S., and not unknown in Israel.


Nilly - Jul 28, 2008 9:56:48 am PDT #9949 of 10003
Swouncing

Typo Boy, I definitely did not mean what you saw as a possible interpretation of my post, and couldn't even imagine it as a possible interpretation. I'm sorry if the way I phrased myself bothered you.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 28, 2008 9:57:05 am PDT #9950 of 10003
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

New money has a movie theatre in the basement. What's so cool about old money again?

Being able to keep the riffraff out of the yacht club.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 28, 2008 9:59:58 am PDT #9951 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Why does my big!Boss constantly change the names of our business and not tell us? Is it because she is from 'new money"???

Seriously, though, if you don't tell the people who work in your business line that they have a new name, what is the point and how are people going to know?


Pix - Jul 28, 2008 10:00:07 am PDT #9952 of 10003
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

I think there is a distinct class the author did not mention which I would call the Academic class. Professors, people in publishing, Scientists (hell, most Buffistas)--all these people don't have money but do have their own distinct set of values. The love of knowledge and culture and disinterest in the trappings of wealth is common in this group, no matter what class they started from. I grew up with people who would spend money on a season ticket for the Ballet, but not on a new couch.

Scrappy is me! My parents grew up dirt poor, but they came from families who valued education--in part because on my mom's side I come from a long line of public school teachers (and if you think teachers get paid badly now, you should see what they made back then).

My mom grew up in a ramshackle farmhouse with her two brothers raising animals and keeping a huge vegetable garden in order to have a source of food. Her parents both taught school of one sort or another, but their parents were all farmers. They were decidedly working poor, but they were well educated. Two of the three kids went on to college--my mom became a public school teacher, and one uncle became an architect. The other uncle became a maintenance worker/custodian.

On my dad's side, his father served two tours in WWII and then became completely disabled (he was paralyzed from the neck down) from polio shortly after getting home. My grandmother graduated at the top of her college class, but she spent her life as a homemaker and caretaker. They were solidly lower middle class until my grandfather's illness, at which point every penny was precious. Supporting four kids on one disabled veteran's pension wasn't easy. Yet all four kids went to college, working their way through waiting tables and such. One aunt became a nurse, one a financial/marketing person, and my dad and his younger sister both became public school teachers.

It's an odd thing, growing up with parents from backgrounds like this. They both are very frugal and hold a lot of middle class values, but education has always been the most valuable thing to their families. It was a ticket out of poverty. My cousins range from new money wealthy (working in computers, marketing, etc.), middle class (teachers, nurses, etc.), and blue collar (construction etc.). Believe me, class becomes an issue even at family gatherings at some points.

And yeah, my dad would spent money on season tickets for the orchestra, but we always had second-hand furniture and such.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 28, 2008 10:08:32 am PDT #9953 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I think there is a distinct class the author did not mention which I would call the Academic class.

I feel like I can fake being part of this class, but decidedly am not. I really took to school, though. My mom and her brothers, and really even my grandma and grandpa were really uneducated, but very, very smart. My youngest uncle got scholarships to different higher level high schools, but got in trouble for taking the tests and couldn't go. He ended up going in the Army, and then worked for the Post Office, where he worked his way up to being the supplies manager for the region. He retired at 50 to become a massage therapist. My mom worked for Social Services as a Welfare Examinaer, and my other uncle cut trees for Niagara Mowhawk Power company. Everyone but my mom ended up with awesome retirement benefits. My mom and uncles read like crazy people and our family get-togethers include massive, massive trivial pursuit games. My kind of mean uncle does make fun of me a lot for being too educated, which is kind of weird.


shrift - Jul 28, 2008 10:10:52 am PDT #9954 of 10003
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

Second Google interview went well. I'm hoping to know what's what this week. Have successfully stalled other job offer company. Now I will make a big pot of chili and then send thank you e-mails.


Nilly - Jul 28, 2008 10:11:53 am PDT #9955 of 10003
Swouncing

Second Google interview went well.

Yay! And lots of fingers crossed.


Kathy A - Jul 28, 2008 10:13:27 am PDT #9956 of 10003
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Yay Shrift!!