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'Heart Of Gold'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Trudy Booth - Jul 28, 2008 7:38:19 am PDT #9881 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

My whole problem with the class article is that the woman profiled seems to think it's all based on economics, ignoring environment, education, and culture. I get why it could be helpful at a local level for teaching and understanding your students, but her genralizations leave a lot out. For example, I would think most poor/working-class immigrants would not fit into her analysis of food preparation at all.

I think her work is more about people (in this case teachers) not assuming that their assumptions are the only assumptions. She then gives them wide examples of other assumptions they could be encountering with their pupils and discusses how to work with them.

I don't think its supposed to be a comprehensive analysis of class and every possible permutaion. And I don't think she means for the information to be used as "if X person is Y class they are making all the assumptions on this list" so much as "you have now encountered a person of a different class background than yourself. y'all have different expectations of 'normal'. there are things you may wish/have to teach them that you'd have never expected".


Jesse - Jul 28, 2008 7:45:02 am PDT #9882 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Last week at work, baby!

Ooh! Jealous.


Toddson - Jul 28, 2008 7:47:15 am PDT #9883 of 10003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

It seems that a lot of people work on the assumption that money/things=class. It irks me, because it does leave out the issues of education, manners, etc. I've seen things where some lout in a Mercedes is presented as being upper class, while a college professor on a bicycle isn't. I grew up being taught that it was tacky to flaunt money and things, that you bought "quality" and kept it forever. I think it may stem from an old-fashioned sense of priorities, whereas these days going broke to buy status symbols is seen as the thing to do.


Tom Scola - Jul 28, 2008 7:51:14 am PDT #9884 of 10003
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

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Conspicuous consumption, this research suggests, is not an unambiguous signal of personal affluence. It’s a sign of belonging to a relatively poor group. Visible luxury thus serves less to establish the owner’s positive status as affluent than to fend off the negative perception that the owner is poor. The richer a society or peer group, the less important visible spending becomes.


megan walker - Jul 28, 2008 7:52:19 am PDT #9885 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I grew up being taught that it was tacky to flaunt money and things, that you bought "quality" and kept it forever.

This is the key difference between old money and new money.

When I was living on the Eastern Shore I bought an old Oriental carpet from the professor of archeology. He apologized for the condition because it looks worn (which is why it was so affordable) and I was like: Why would I want a carpet that looks new? I want it to look like it's been in my family forever. 'Cause I'm an old money snob, even if I don't have any.


Jesse - Jul 28, 2008 7:54:13 am PDT #9886 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I was so stunned the first time I went by Phillips as a kid and saw all the kids there were dressed like bums. I was like, "I thought they were rich!" My mother was like, yeah, that's how rich kids dress.


megan walker - Jul 28, 2008 7:57:58 am PDT #9887 of 10003
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist

I went by Phillips as a kid

Jesse, your old money is showing. I'm assuming Andover, not Exeter.


amych - Jul 28, 2008 7:59:24 am PDT #9888 of 10003
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

I'm an old money snob, even if I don't have any.

This is so me it's not even funny.

(You hear that, universe? Our car has 200K+ on it because we are that awesome!)


Jesse - Jul 28, 2008 7:59:41 am PDT #9889 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Jesse, your old money is showing. I'm assuming Andover, not Exeter.

Please. Of course.

Actually, it's just my Massachusetts upbringing -- My mother worked in Andover for most of my childhood, so I didn't know there was another PA for a long time. I have mostly only heard of the prep schools on that list via proximity -- I went to summer camp in Groton, etc.


Toddson - Jul 28, 2008 7:59:46 am PDT #9890 of 10003
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

And, in my family, tacky was one of the worst things you could say about someone (trashy was worse, but that had to be earned).