Spike: Lots of fuss over one girl. Other things to do around here--important things. Angel: You know that whoosh thing you do when you're suddenly not there anymore? I love that.

'Unleashed'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


shrift - Jul 27, 2008 9:08:47 pm PDT #9836 of 10003
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

BTW, good luck tomorrow! Or is it Tuesday?

Thanks! It is Monday mid-morning, which means I need to go to bed ASAP.


Nilly - Jul 27, 2008 9:19:33 pm PDT #9837 of 10003
Swouncing

It is Monday mid-morning, which means I need to go to bed ASAP.

shrift, in case you didn't go to sleep yet (and, um, even if you already did) - good luck!

[Edit: I wish I had time now to elaborate on the whole food-and-class issue, because it's so interesting and varied and can run so deep. Oh, well. Conversations in Natter tend to repeat themselves after some cycle, right? Some other time, then.]


Calli - Jul 28, 2008 2:38:56 am PDT #9838 of 10003
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Dig back a few generations on either side of my family and you hit small time farmers. But Dad joined the navy for WWII and did the whole GI Bill college thing (huge class buster). Then he went to Germany to teach army brats for the occupation and wandered all over Europe. Got his palate way expanded from Turkey to Italy to Spain all the way up to Finland. Mom got scholarships and work-study to become the first woman in her family to go to college and then went to work in mission schools in South and Central America, wandering all around during her vacations.

Then they came back to MI, met, married, moved to a small, remote town, and raised a family.

I grew up assuming everyone ate paella and lasagna and Finnish rye with chili. It was so odd to see my sister's friends come to dinner an poke at their food with a, "What the hell is this?" look on their faces.

Anyway, service—to country or church—was both broadening and class-busting for them. I think it was for a number of people in their generation, especially the WWII GIs.


flea - Jul 28, 2008 3:07:31 am PDT #9839 of 10003
information libertarian

Why was I both a midnight poster and a first thing in the morning poster? I am so going to regret this schedule.

Anyway, on class I am a bit sheepish to admit that I come from fairly upper-class lines way way back. Like, I have a great great grandmother who went to college, and a great great grandfather (different line) who was a federal judge. Nothing shocking - no Newport mansions - but for the times, way up there.


Nilly - Jul 28, 2008 3:13:35 am PDT #9840 of 10003
Swouncing

Why was I both a midnight poster and a first thing in the morning poster?

Um, so that I won't feel alone in my own (um, worse, though lacking two kids, and I'm not sure if it's better or worse) schedule?


brenda m - Jul 28, 2008 3:15:16 am PDT #9841 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

My dad was the first on his side to go to college (and he didn't finish) but it's a different story on my mom's side. She wasn't from wealth but definitely a more educated, genteel background. Class stuff actually accounted for a ton of their Issues relating to things far beyond money.


Dana - Jul 28, 2008 4:02:40 am PDT #9842 of 10003
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Just seemed kind of oblivious to the fact that the community as a whole isn't really gourmet or upper class in any meaningful way. Perhaps I'm overreading it all.

Nope. We were talking about the move with husband's aunt, and she was horrified that the per diem for meals was $39/day. How could anyone possibly eat three meals for that little! The tax! The tip!

The idea of going somewhere without waiters doesn't seem to have occurred to her.


sumi - Jul 28, 2008 4:08:16 am PDT #9843 of 10003
Art Crawl!!!

Hey, today is Beatrix Potter's birthday! And Google has a matching theme.


Sophia Brooks - Jul 28, 2008 4:12:12 am PDT #9844 of 10003
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

Nope. We were talking about the move with husband's aunt, and she was horrified that the per diem for meals was $39/day. How could anyone possibly eat three meals for that little! The tax! The tip!

We had an instructor who we paid meals for and we just told her to be reasonable and it ended up being about $90 per day. My boss was horrified, so we have had to put a cap on the per diem as well (it is actually $39)


Nora Deirdre - Jul 28, 2008 4:47:03 am PDT #9845 of 10003
I’m responsible for my own happiness? I can’t even be responsible for my own breakfast! (Bojack Horseman)

This weekend we had a married couple over- the husband is one of my oldest friends, back from when we were in high school, and we've stayed friends for the last 20 years. We got into this big discussion about how Tom and I don't have any "normal" food around, stuff that isn't bought from Trader Joes or Whole Foods or organic from the farm.

I know I definitely didn't grow up like that but we've made some choices regarding the way we want to buy and eat food, and the fact that we have 2 incomes and no kids helps us to achieve that. (Also the fact that we like to and have time to cook so that we are actually purchasing mostly "raw" ingredients instead of the crazy expensive WF prepared foods or whatever.)

I am certainly aware of the privilege that this is, pretty much because it is such a change from the way I grew up (and ate well into my 20s).

Food is so fraught with issues and emotion. Crazy!