River: You gave up everything you had. Simon: [Chinese] Everything I have is right here.

'Safe'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DebetEsse - Jul 16, 2008 3:19:43 pm PDT #8245 of 10003
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I think cross burning is a special case because it has a specific historic context and meaning. Is it ever done not in that context?

I don't know. I see spray-painting a swastika or "God hates fags" or "clever" catch-phrase of choice on a house or business as a similar statement.


Gadget_Girl - Jul 16, 2008 3:20:38 pm PDT #8246 of 10003
Just call me "Siouxsie Shunshine".

Glenn Close does sorta look like Robocop....

this just made me snort wine out of my nose.


Scrappy - Jul 16, 2008 3:21:01 pm PDT #8247 of 10003
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

With some actions, I think the thought is implied by the action itself. Cross-burning is one, or spray-painting swastikas on a Temple or gangs who go out intending to "fag-bash."


javachik - Jul 16, 2008 3:21:08 pm PDT #8248 of 10003
Our wings are not tired.

True, DebetEsse.

(hey, btw, how did you come up with your b.org name?)


Matt the Bruins fan - Jul 16, 2008 3:21:49 pm PDT #8249 of 10003
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Going further than the premeditated/heat of passion murder distinction, the difference between accidental manslaughter and premeditated murder is one of intent—the victim is still dead in either instance.


beth b - Jul 16, 2008 3:28:46 pm PDT #8250 of 10003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

Well, and the case I did not get put on -- naked - not a crime -- naked do to some sort of sexual purpose changes the nature of the action


Typo Boy - Jul 16, 2008 3:47:36 pm PDT #8251 of 10003
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

OK. Two seperate points.

1) I don't think in the U.S. hate crime laws usually apply to things that are not crimes anyway. Even cross burnings are arson or vandalism. I mean it is illegal to build a circle in a public park too: it is just more illegal to burn a cross - and the fact that this is historically a death threat is a good reason. Intent has always been part of criminal law. I don't think there is any abstract reason to think racist intent can't be part of that. Incidentally I do think there is good practical reason to oppose hate crime laws in a nation where prosecutors already have way too much power. But that is very different from abstract arguments about free speech or mind reading.

2) Taking a wafer you put into your mouth with permission, that have permission to swallow, and walking out without swallowing is not a hate crime. It may be offensive, ill judged. It may even be hateful, but it is not the sort of thing that should be covered by hate crime statutes, even where hate crime statures are a good idea.


Strega - Jul 16, 2008 3:49:52 pm PDT #8252 of 10003

The difference between negligence and murder is intent, but the distinction is whether you knowingly intended to kill someone, not why.

And intimidation & harassment are in themselves crimes. As for cross-burning:

In Virginia v. Black et al. the Court found that Virginia's statute against cross burning done with an attempt to intimidate is constitutional because such expression has a long and pernicious history as a signal of impending violence. [...] The Court did, however, strike down the provision in Virginia's statute which stated "Any such burning of a cross shall be prima facie evidence of an intent to intimidate a person or group of persons," holding that the provision was facially unconstitutional because of its "indiscriminate coverage." The state, therefore, must prove intent to intimidate.

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Nutty - Jul 16, 2008 4:03:40 pm PDT #8253 of 10003
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

I just found out that fruit flies can be vacuumed up. (I read it on the internet.) Also, that if you use a hair dryer on fruit flies, you should make sure to use the back end so they get sucked in and fried, not the front end, because just blowing hot air on fruit flies does nothing.

...Yes, I think WikiHow is populated entirely by college students with more ingenuity than sense.


Jesse - Jul 16, 2008 4:07:57 pm PDT #8254 of 10003
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

When I had the fruit fly colony that turned out to be in my coffee maker (I threw it out), I spent a lot of time vacuuming the flies out of the air. It was entertaining, at least.