I'm sorry. You were going to ask me to choose, right? Did you want to finish?

Zoe ,'War Stories'


Natter 59: Dominate Your Face!  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Vortex - Jul 16, 2008 12:41:16 pm PDT #8199 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

No, that's just bad reporting. Susan Fani is press release queen for the Catholic League.

oh, that's disturbing. The church needs to get on that. You don't want someone claiming to be your spokesperson who you don't control.


Kathy A - Jul 16, 2008 12:47:37 pm PDT #8200 of 10003
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

The problem is that the various media outlets have dubbed Donohoe and his cronies at the Catholic League as de facto spokespersons for the Catholic Church--whenever there is something Catholic in the news, they're always the first people to show up on the 24-hour news networks, not Father gGiovanni from the Vatican.


Vortex - Jul 16, 2008 12:50:06 pm PDT #8201 of 10003
"Cry havoc and let slip the boobs of war!" -- Miracleman

Repeat: The church needs to get on that.


Theodosia - Jul 16, 2008 12:54:44 pm PDT #8202 of 10003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

IIRC, it's Capital-H Host if it's Catholic, because of the transubstantiation requiring the honorific.

Especially because some of my nearest and dearest are Catholic, I've tried to get some education about the RC, and I've come away with more respect than dismay, (though I can run you down a long list of stuff I don't agree with). Then again, with my low-Church Presby formative experiences, I may just be swayed by the candles and kneeling and incense and nice decorations.


JZ - Jul 16, 2008 12:55:06 pm PDT #8203 of 10003
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

The church needs to get on that.

Except that the church leadership, practically since the death of the pope who shepherded through all the Vatican II reforms, has been just the kind of ingrown social conservatives who are happy to let people like the League speak for them and not terribly eager to disabuse anyone of the notion that Donohue and his ilk are The Church.

So then, unfortunately, it falls on the laity to bitch about it and tell him to STFU, and since most of us are less media-whorishconnected than Donohue, it doesn't always work out so well.


Theodosia - Jul 16, 2008 12:56:32 pm PDT #8204 of 10003
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Voice of the Faithful should step up to the mike then.


Strega - Jul 16, 2008 1:01:05 pm PDT #8205 of 10003

Oh, I doubt she claimed to be from the diocese. I think a local news station misidentified her and it's gotten repeated each time the story gets recycled.

Also this

S&M Barbie Lashed By Public
is a genius headline.


brenda m - Jul 16, 2008 1:10:20 pm PDT #8206 of 10003
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

Especially because some of my nearest and dearest are Catholic, I've tried to get some education about the RC, and I've come away with more respect than dismay, (though I can run you down a long list of stuff I don't agree with).

In case I was sounding snippy earlier...

I don't disagree, on a broad level anyway. But I have a huge issue with the idea that "disrespect" of a powerful institution is a matter for anything stronger than eyerolling in response. If I come off like I'm smacking at individual believers, it's not intentional.

But I'm incredibly leery of the notion that religious institutions ought somehow to be immune from disrespect. Which is not to say they should be disrespected. But I don't see any reason they shouldn't suck it up like the rest of us.

I put this in a bucket with the "War on Christmas", "how come white people can't say the N-word" and the NiceGuy / Men's Rights Association types - it all does seem very eyerolly and foolish, but it's insidious and I think it's doing us real damage.


Trudy Booth - Jul 16, 2008 1:17:44 pm PDT #8207 of 10003
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

I put this in a bucket with the "War on Christmas", "how come white people can't say the N-word" and the NiceGuy / Men's Rights Association types - it all does seem very eyerolly and foolish, but it's insidious and I think it's doing us real damage.

At the very least it shows a basic lack of comprehension on what it means to be in actual jeopardy.


Burrell - Jul 16, 2008 1:18:01 pm PDT #8208 of 10003
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

I'm so sorry Drew, peace to your family.